Mist Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DuoGod of Death [/i] [B]I'm as patriotic as the rest, and yest I was ready to join the army and fight those terrist if I was old enough, but thats just wrong. I'm sorry but you have no right to beat someone up because of their beliefs. What that kid did was disrepectful to the tenth degree, but beating him up? Thats just wrong! That'll just increase his hatred, and others hatred towards America. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=crimson][size=1] Try to be a little bit understanding in this situation, Bryan. You're country is being attacked; you're tense. Someone is cheering on those who are hurting your country and it's pride. You'd beat him up. I'd beat him up. Don't say "I would never do that!" because that isn't true. Don't put yourself in a situation that you haven't been placed in. Sure, it was wrong, but I wouldn't exactly be kind to the kid either.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mist [/i] [B][color=crimson][size=1] Try to be a little bit understanding in this situation, Bryan. You're country is being attacked; you're tense. Someone is cheering on those who are hurting your country and it's pride. You'd beat him up. I'd beat him up. Don't say "I would never do that!" because that isn't true. Don't put yourself in a situation that you haven't been placed in. Sure, it was wrong, but I wouldn't exactly be kind to the kid either.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] I was in that situation. One of my friends cheered. It hurt...yes...like hell. But I didn't beat him up. I don't know, I guess I shouldn't be judging. I'm sorry.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegitto4 Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DuoGod of Death [/i] [B]I'm as patriotic as the rest, and yest I was ready to join the army and fight those terrist if I was old enough, but thats just wrong. I'm sorry but you have no right to beat someone up because of their beliefs. What that kid did was disrepectful to the tenth degree, but beating him up? Thats just wrong! That'll just increase his hatred, and others hatred towards America. [/B][/QUOTE] Who cares how much it gets increased!!! What you said was an oxymoron anyway. You would fight them, and end up killing the terrorist's, however, you wont kick the crap out of one person that supports them? Effectively, all your saying, is " i'll go and fight, but i wont fight".Which is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 [color=crimson][size=1] *Points up* What he said. ^^;;[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemolth Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 Far be it for me to put words in Duo's mouth but...I'm gonna do it anyways! :D I think what Duo meant was that he would fight against terrorists, but he was not going to gang up and beat on a kid just because he happened to be laughing at the time. Remember this little thing called the law? And justice? And freedom of thought and religion? Two points here: The first point is that you don't just go in and hammer a kid just because you don't like the fact that he's laughing. If he's doing something wrong, then law will take care of it, or the teachers (they should but some are just as prejudiced so *shrugs*). There's a reason why America is governed by a rule of law (supposedly anyway) rather the rule of men. There's a reason we don't condone lynch mobs. The second point, one which Duo might not make but I will anyway, is that, in America today, even with this level of paranoia, its a person is still free to -think- what they like. If I think a couple of planes flying into a couple of tall buildings and killing thousands of people is funny, I'm actually entitled to laugh. Of course, if I incite people to kill by [b]seriously[/b] telling them to kill Americans cos they're all children of Satan...well then that's different. Thinking is one thing. Doing is another. If the kid sent money to terrorists or harbored one in his house, then that would be wrong. But if he just -thinks- its really funny, it may be rude and insensitive, but its not legally wrong, and it certainly doesn't give you the right to beat him to a pulp (though it might allow you to argue provocation but you'll still be in the wrong). I think what Duo is getting at is that he is perfectly willing to fight terrorists, but that the kid is not a terrorist, and so he's not gonna mess the kid up. You do not make people understand by bashing them up. You only make things worse. Winning the war on terrorism is about winning hearts and minds, and not just about killing terrorists (which of course is necessary but not enough by itself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mnemolth [/i] [B]Far be it for me to put words in Duo's mouth but...I'm gonna do it anyways! :D I think what Duo meant was that he would fight against terrorists, but he was not going to gang up and beat on a kid just because he happened to be laughing at the time. Remember this little thing called the law? And justice? And freedom of thought and religion? Two points here: The first point is that you don't just go in and hammer a kid just because you don't like the fact that he's laughing. If he's doing something wrong, then law will take care of it, or the teachers (they should but some are just as prejudiced so *shrugs*). There's a reason why America is governed by a rule of law (supposedly anyway) rather the rule of men. There's a reason we don't condone lynch mobs. The second point, one which Duo might not make but I will anyway, is that, in America today, even with this level of paranoia, its a person is still free to -think- what they like. If I think a couple of planes flying into a couple of tall buildings and killing thousands of people is funny, I'm actually entitled to laugh. Of course, if I incite people to kill by [b]seriously[/b] telling them to kill Americans cos they're all children of Satan...well then that's different. Thinking is one thing. Doing is another. If the kid sent money to terrorists or harbored one in his house, then that would be wrong. But if he just -thinks- its really funny, it may be rude and insensitive, but its not legally wrong, and it certainly doesn't give you the right to beat him to a pulp (though it might allow you to argue provocation but you'll still be in the wrong). I think what Duo is getting at is that he is perfectly willing to fight terrorists, but that the kid is not a terrorist, and so he's not gonna mess the kid up. You do not make people understand by bashing them up. You only make things worse. Winning the war on terrorism is about winning hearts and minds, and not just about killing terrorists (which of course is necessary but not enough by itself). [/B][/QUOTE] EXACTLY! Thats what I was trying to say! Thank you for stating it more clearly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mist Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 [quote]The second point, one which Duo might not make but I will anyway, is that, in America today, even with this level of paranoia, its a person is still free to -think- what they like. If I think a couple of planes flying into a couple of tall buildings and killing thousands of people is funny, I'm actually entitled to laugh. Of course, if I incite people to kill by [b]seriously[/b] telling them to kill Americans cos they're all children of Satan...well then that's different.[/quote] [color=crimson][size=1] Does it though? I mean, that's one of the basic reasons why 9/11 happened, correct? Although the two events may have been different in level and extremeity, I believe they held the same intent.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 It is true to think what you want, but the way people think is what gets them into alot of trouble all the time. Jewish faith...hmmm. And on a side note, if you were to laugh about 9/11 right in my face, in person, I would do my very best to kick the piss out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mist [/i] [B][color=crimson][size=1] Does it though? I mean, that's one of the basic reasons why 9/11 happened, correct? Although the two events may have been different in level and extremeity, I believe they held the same intent.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] If we don't let people think what they want then we wouldn't be America. If we pride ourselves in being a free country, then we have to act that way! If he thinks its funny, well I don't like it, but its a free country. You see people in America laughing because an Afghan got killed yesterday, yet you don't go and beat the **** out of them. Just because they arn't Americans doesn't mean they arn't humans. If you're going to allow yourself to think allow others. No one person is more important than the other. Look I know ya'all are gonna yell at me or something, I love my country, I'd die for it, but still beating the tar outta someone for them laughing....its wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 We should allow people to think and laugh as they wish, but Ive gotta stick up for every one in my family and every one I am close to because none of us have laughed once at an afghan who died. Even if someone is "evil" and they experience mis-fortune, I have sympathy, I dont laugh. Im not saying anyone cant do what they want. I dont want to come across as a violent person. Im just plain and simple stating what I would do with my freedoms if you were to insult everyone who died, everyone who cried and all those fighting to make this horrible wrong right. 2 wrongs dont make a right, we all know that, but Im damn sure gonna do what I can to see that no one dies in vain and no one gets away with the murder of thousands. America is a wonderful place, the only one of its kind (except austraillia, sp?). But freedom to say and do as you please will never protect you from the possible reprocutions of the actions you take. Laughing about 9/11 is wrong. cut it however you want, but it will always be dead wrong. That is why I can confidently say I would stick up for all those who died. afghan or american, they all died because of what happend on 9/11. I also wanna mention, anyone who would laugh about the events of 9/11 is a sick, sick person. And frankly, no one would mourn the death of that individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 I can see where you are coming from and on a certain extent I agree. But I vote we should drop this argument, thats not what these boards are for...if you want to continue debating with me, or criticizing me I'd be glad to accept it in a pm. This should go back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 28, 2002 Share Posted September 28, 2002 I never really meant to criticize you, I am sorry. 9/11 is a very important subject to me and I assume you can understand. thank you. That means, everyone, you heard the man... Back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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