Enterprise

[Armadillomon]

Yay! The new season of Enterprise starts Wednesday! I can't wait! Any other Enterprise fans out there? Let's unite!!!!

[Wormmon's Tamer]

Yes, let's unite! You are taping them, aren't you?

[RicoTranzrig]

Voyager...it's the only series that I've watched all the episodes for. That and the idea of getting lost like that, away from the federation really got me into it. I also watched a good deal of DS9 before they ended (the Defiant is cool). The new Enterprise series though...I hardly watch it b/c of other things...but I guess I'll go catch the latest episode this Wednesday.

[NorykoAngelcry]

[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=1]I loved Deep Space 9. The series was really cool, and it seemed like they gave a lot more personality to each of the characters, and it didn't seem like cheesy overacting like which was present in Voyager. I really liked all of the Star Trek series, but DS9 was my favorite.

The whole war was just awesome, and the huge battle that they showed between the Federation, Klingon, Romulans vs Cardasians, and those other guys from the wormhole totally blew me away. I had been waiting to see a huge battle like that forever. The movie where the Federation vs. the Borg was nice, but a bit fast, and in the NG, the fights with the Borg really weren't shown.

Anyways, another thing about DS9 that I liked was that they brought both Miles and Worf into the show. Miles was from the beginning, but the show really got even better with Worf. [/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Armadillomon]

DS9 wasn't my fave series, but I really enjoyed the darker side of the series. Things like Section 31 and the Dominion (those other guys from the wormhole) War really made this series interesting in the last couple of seasons. Voyager and Enterprise are my two fave series.

Enterprise fans: Who thinks Porthos could run the ship by himself?

[NorykoAngelcry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Armadillomon [/i]
[B]Things like Section 31 and the Dominion (those other guys from the wormhole)

Enterprise fans: Who thinks Porthos could run the ship by himself? [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=1]*raises hand* I do. . lol. Enterprise probably has to be number two in my book. I just love the early setting of the series.

And thanks for the Dominion. I could not think of it at ALL. . felt rather stupid ^_^ but I didn't feel like searching for the name. [/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Manic Webb]

The secret is out, I'm a fan...

I liked DS9 the best. It had a lot of drama, several side-stories, and the characters were developed a lot better than previous series'. I never finished watching it, though. I sorta lost interest when the switched Dax to some new counselor with maybe half the sex appeal of the first one.

[NorykoAngelcry]

[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=1]Ughh. . once Dax was replaced, the show went straight downhill. They had a few decent episodes, but for the most part, the loss of Dax hurt the show too much.

I wish the show didn't end on a down note, but I am very happy that it had such a long run that it did. ^_^ [/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Mnemolth]

Hmm.....I kinda like them all. Though eah has their own flavor. I like the camp of the Original series, the matter-of-fact manner of TNG, the space opera of DS9 and the perculiarity of Voyager. I'm also currently enjoyng Enterprise, took me a while to get used to Scott Bakula though! Quantum Leap anyone?

And I've seen the all the eps of Original, TNG, DS9, and every ep up to series 7 of Voyager, and most of first season of Enterprise. Yes, I guess you can call me a fan. :) Although I consider myself a Trekkie, that's prob not how the Trekkie community considers me! *lol* I'm not one of those people who actually can describe in detail to you how the warp drive works, never been to any convention, don't own a starfleet uniform, or pointed ears, or even any tapes.

I just like watching the shows and movies. That's all.

[Flash]

I liked Voyager and Later-DS9, personally.

[Armadillomon]

Tonight's the night! The season premiere of Enterprise is on at 8:00 PM on UPN, and I can't wait! Looking forward to seeing Porthos!

[Devidramon]

I love Enterprise. TNG spent too much time on what I guess [i]they[/i] thought was deep philosophical discussion.:p Replace it with politics and you've got DS9, replace it with technobabble and you've got Voyager. I don't care about the sub-harmonic, positronic gravitons and tachyons, I wanna see some adventure. Let's not even mention TNG or the first four or five seasons of DS9. Voyager was okay most of the time, though too often, the solution is "Hey, let's repolarize the quantomorphic phase matrix!" or some other un-explanation that basically means "The show's almost over so we've got to get them out of whatever problem in five seconds." Still, Voyager did some absolutely amazing eps, like Year of Hell, Nemesis, Tsunkatze, and the one with those people under the dome-thing (you know, Paris gets stuck in piloting lessons because the aliens don't like his reckless flying, and there were these people whose territory was isolated by a force field, and once Chakotay figured out how to bring it down, the people from outside the field want to take over?) I wish they'd always done eps like those. The original was almost consistently good, once you get past the lack of special effects. I wish they'd had Industrial Light and Magic at their fingertips like they do now. Man, that'd be something to see. All of the characters were likable, and the chemistry between them made them a lot of fun to watch even when they're not doing anything big. The worlds they went to were interesting and memorable. And it was great when they'd run into Klingons. Remember The Trouble With Tribbles and the huge bar brawl? That was hilarious, and so was the investigation that followed, with the part between Kirk and Scotty. Man, I could practically feel poor Kirk's headache as that ep went on.

You know who the first Klingon in the original Trek was? Kor. He went on to put in a lot of appearances late in DS9.

But some day, Kirk's going to go down to a planet, and then it's going to happen: The shuttlecraft gets blasted, and the transporters shut down. Then, out will come the perpetrators: Every Kirk chick-of-the-week. And that day of reckoning will be a sad one for poor James T.

Enterprise is the best, though. Everything that I liked about Original and Voyager, only more so. And they're not nearly as by-the-book (because the book's not been written yet.) As you'd expect people out on the frontier to be, they're casual, and not big on protocol. And they're more human, like Hoshi's claustrophobia, everybody's general annoyance at the Vulcans, Malcolm being both trigger-happy [i]and[/i] a geek... I can believe these people. The Temporal Cold War's a great underlying storyline, and the Suliban are among the best Trek villains. (They're not Species 8472, but they're still cool.) And there have only been one or two eps that I could say were dull, something that can't be said of TNG, DS9, or Voyager (but can be said of the old one. Except for the oen with the two-tone-face-guys, all the eps, even the cheesy eps like Spock's Brain, were at least watchable.)

[Armadillomon]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Devidramon [/i]
[B]I love Enterprise. TNG spent too much time on what I guess [i]they[/i] thought was deep philosophical discussion.:p Replace it with politics and you've got DS9, replace it with technobabble and you've got Voyager. Voyager did some absolutely amazing eps, like Year of Hell, Nemesis, Tsunkatze, and the one with those people under the dome-thing (you know, Paris gets stuck in piloting lessons because the aliens don't like his reckless flying, and there were these people whose territory was isolated by a force field, and once Chakotay figured out how to bring it down, the people from outside the field want to take over?)[/B][/QUOTE]

BTW, that episode is called "Natural Law." You're right. That is a great ep. However, it was Seven of Nine who actually figured out how to bring down the force field.

[QUOTE][i][B]Originally posted by Devidramon [/i]Enterprise is the best, though. Everything that I liked about Original and Voyager, only more so. And they're not nearly as by-the-book (because the book's not been written yet.)[/B][/QUOTE]

:laugh: Wednesday's episode just proves that Archer and crew are literally writing the book on Starfleet regulations.

[QUOTE][i][B]Originally posted by Devidramon [/i]everybody's general annoyance at the Vulcans[/B][/QUOTE]

I think that the Vulcans are stuck on themselves in this series. I can understand why everyone is ticked with them.

[Wormmon's Tamer]

Yeah. Stupid Vulcans and their stupid logic!

[Mnemolth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Devidramon [/i]
[B]I love Enterprise. TNG spent too much time on what I guess [i]they[/i] thought was deep philosophical discussion.:p.....

Let's not even mention TNG or the first four or five seasons of DS9......

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Heheheh. I felt I had to answer. First off, I like the Original series partly BECAUSE of the dodgy looking sets and sfx. Its like Dr. Who or Red Dwarf.

But that's not why I felt I had to say something. No, my main disagreement with you would be the dismissal of 'deep philosophical discussion'.

To me, science-fiction is speculative fiction, and the best of sci-fi gives us a vision of the future that tells something about ourselves today, and where we're heading. I guess in a sense I'm a 'hardcore' sci-fi person. I'm an ideas person. Ideas are what turns me on, that and a nice rack, but let's keep this PG-13 shall we? ;)

Even in the camp of the Original series, it was ideas that were being explored. Of course, the show was a result of its time, so it had more 'adventure' aspects and a lot of silliness. Just like TNG was a by-product of its time (late 80s/early 90s), with its formality and seriousness. But both dealt with ideas. I mean beyond the alien girls, there was the lava monster, the time paradox, and many others. Just as in TNG there were ideas, abstract thoughts that amaze, astounded and surprised.

Some of them were a little immature but moving nonetheless. Like the all-powerful alien whose mortal wife was killed and in a instant of rage he wished vengeance upon every single creatue of the species of his wfe's killers. He then created an illusion of his wife and he lived with her on a planet as his conscience plagued him. To me that was a very touching episode.

Then there was the more sophisticated episode about the Prime Directive, where the crew comes aross two civilisations, one of which is selling 'medicine' to another to help them with illness, onlt he 'illness' was in fact withdraw symptoms because the 'medicine' was actual an addictive drug. The doctor pressured to intervene and Picard, as ever the strong and rational leader, stuck by the protocol. This story has many parallels in our world today. Or the many countless episodes about the theme of what it is to be human surrounding Data.

Do I watch Star Trek for the familiarity of characters and the universe that is created? yes. But I watch it primarily because of the ideas it speculates on. I watch it as I watch most science fiction, because I have a fascination for science and an interest in the human condition, and anything that brings these two factors together is attractive to me.

Take out the ideas, and to me at least, the adventure is hollow. :)

[Devidramon]

I like the ideas. I just think they can be presented in a better way than "Sit in the ready room/conference room/holodeck yakking for the first 45 minutes of the show and then technobabble up a quick-fix solution." Instead of discussing right or wrong over a hot cup of tea like on PBS, let's see what it actually [i]does.[/i] Like in Natural Law. (Was it Seven that did that? Thanks.) Next Generation had an episode with a similar topic, some Indian-like people that either the Cardassians or Romulans (Cardassians, I think) wanted to move. But all anyone did was walk around and talk, and it got extremely dull. By the end, Wesley's portion in this most tedious series of discoures wound up instigating a shootout, and he got taken away by the Traveler. How'd they settle the whole thing? I don't even remember whether they did or not. That's about how much I cared about the outcome by the time everyone finished giving their gums a workout. While Next Generation chose to talk about it, Voyager's Natural Law episode actually [i]showed[/i] it. Was anybody else thinking "Yeah, just what happened to the Indians?" And then, the set about fixing it in a way that was interesting and exciting to watch. If the ideas aren't there, it's not really [i]about[/i] anything. But I'd rather have an idea presented in an exciting way instead of one long discussion after another. Showing is better than telling.

[zidane11]

I watch it sometimes. Not really a huge fan. I kinda like the origanal series the best.

[Red]

[b]Voyager was the first Star Trek series I really watched all the way through, then DS9.

I think Enterprise was good at the beginning, with no long incomprehensible techno excuse for something, just basic "instict" and wit.

The show's creators did promise not to follow in the traditional Star Trek style by not having pointless episodes where the crew just meet a new race and never encounter them ever again, with a few morals thrown in the bandwagon, but it's already happened in the first series... I like the time-travelling guy they keep coming back to though, with all his genetically enhanced soldiers :drunk: [/b]

[Devidramon]

Silik and his Temporal Cold War. Wonderful storyline.

I just wonder about Andrews. He got vaporized, and nothing happened to undo it. So how is he alive? The only way I can think of is that by his point of view, he hasn't made that trip yet. What must it be like, knowing exactly how and when you're going to die and knowing that you [i]have[/i] to make that trip, and soon? (He didn't look any older that time than he did this time, so he'll make that trip fairly soon.)

[Armadillomon]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Devidramon [/i]
[B]Silik and his Temporal Cold War. Wonderful storyline.

I just wonder about Andrews. He got vaporized, and nothing happened to undo it. So how is he alive? The only way I can think of is that by his point of view, he hasn't made that trip yet. What must it be like, knowing exactly how and when you're going to die and knowing that you [i]have[/i] to make that trip, and soon? (He didn't look any older that time than he did this time, so he'll make that trip fairly soon.) [/B][/QUOTE]

I think you're talking about Crewman Daniels. He's the one that caused the destruction of the 31st century by taking Captain Archer off of Enterprise ("Shockwave, Pts. 1 and 2"). You're getting into the most confusing area of Star Trek: Time travel! I don't even think that the ones who travel through time understand fully how it works.

Some of the best Star Trek storylines have involved time travel: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "All Good Things", DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations", and Voyager's "Future's End," "Timeless," and "Endgame." However, I don't think that Enterprise's "Shockwave" was a true time travel episode. It was still a great one, though!

[Wormmon's Tamer]

Yeah, but what happened to Daniels? I assume his century was restored, but what happened to him? Maybe he'll visit the Enterprise again and we'll find out..

[Devidramon]

Yeah, I meant Daniels. Andrews was a security guy from Shattered, a Voyager sorta-time-travel ep that I've watched five or six times (well, apparently enough times to know the redshirts by name.)

Don't forget Assignment: Earth from the original Trek. Gary Seven was just too cool.

What was Future's End? I don't think I've seen it.

[Armadillomon]

I didn't mention Assignment: Earth because I haven't watched much of the original series. Future's End was a 2-part episode of Voyager's 3rd season where Captain Braxton from the 29th century recruits Voyager to prevent Earth's destruction. Braxton's ship crashes on 20th century Earth and is found by a man named Starling. Starling creates his own company by releasing different technology items from Braxton's ship at various times. When Voyager goes back in time to the 20th century (circa 1996), Starling is preparing to launch Braxton's ship himself when he catches Janeway and Chakotay. They beam away, but Starling uses the transporter beam to steal Voyager's EMH. That's the end of Part 1. I'll summarize part 2 later, cause I've gotta go!

[Devidramon]

Oh, yeah, I remember it. That was a great ep. I wonder, though, how many times Trek personnel have gone back to the 20th century? Speaking of which, the Enterprise folks haven't done it yet. Hopefully, they'll get to soon. It's sort of a Trek tradition. They [i]have[/i] to.

What they ought to do one of these days is a five-way crossover. Say, some weird anomaly (that's their favorite word, isn't it?) happens to throw all three Enterprises, the Voyager, and the Defiant into the same place at the same time, and all five crews have to work together to get out of whatever it is.

[Armadillomon]

That would be hilarious! :laugh: I'd love to see that episode!