Men today...

[Semjaza]

I don't think I'd say no, but if all she had were looks then I sure as well wouldn't stick with it. I find lack of intelligence to be a huge turn off lol. I guess other people like a stupid girl that is submissive and follows them everywhere they go. I personally don't.

Too many generalizations in here... heh.

TN basically summarized my final thoughts on all of it.

[Sara]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B] I believe happiness is the key to love. [/B][/QUOTE] And maybe love is the key to happiness.

[Mitch]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cera [/i]
[B]And maybe love is the key to happiness. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red] That's also kind of ironic in a way. Love can leave to much pain. Pain that lasts forever, never leaving you. Maybe I could also say Pain is the key to love in a way...[/color]

[Saiya-jinro]

I'm a nice guy. It's the heart that matters.

[Kent]

I know its the heart that matters, but the truth is that to see the heart of a person you have got to be really close.

With the way things are, that means no one is gonna see your heart unless one of two things happens.
1. you look so good people want to get in "really close"
2. some one does what happend to me, and rips your heart out so it can be on display.

[NorykoAngelcry]

[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=1]While it is very important to have a good heart, sometimes that can be too little to hold onto a loved one. If your 'girlfriend/boyfriend' does something bad to you, and you just let it slide cause you are a really good person with a very forgiving heart, then that person slowly but surely will start to walk all over you. It won't even matter how much in love they are with you. . sometimes it just becomes something that the mind will do and they can't stop it.

Now while I don't know how much sense that makes to any of you, I had a friend who totally ruined a perfectly good relationship he had simply because his girl loved him WAY too much. He wanted arguments, fights, whatever . . . and she really cared for him too much. He got irritated with that, and started really trying to hurt her. It wasn't on purpose in my opinion, he just wanted to see what sort of buttons he could push with her. What happens when you start getting irritated at all the little things? Everything start to really wear you down and you slowly start to see the relationship crumbling apart.

While some of you might think that was off subject a bit, I think it was right on cue. Oh well though, that is just me. As for personality being better then looks. . well. . I half agree and half disagree. Obviously, you could be one of the best looking people on earth, but if you don't have a personality and a good heart, you will find yourself with nothing but losers. (once again, I could relate this to another friend, but let's not, one friend a post is enough . . don't want to bore you people to death). Similarly, you could be an average or 'ugly' looking person, and have a heart of gold with a great personality, and most people will never look at you twice or even want to get to know you. It takes time, but I suppose it will happen.

Honestly, I think the real secret is laughter ^_^ I try to make people laugh, not that I have had much of a track success, but people NEED to laugh. It makes them feel better about themselves, it helps people to lower their guard, and be more open (no really, it does!). I think if you can show people you are a funny person, you already have one foot in the door ^_^

Oh allright, *shuts up* :sleep: [/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Mnemolth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]Who cares about any of that stuff. As long as you love the person and they love you back, personality, looks, and everything in between doesn't matter anymore. I believe happiness is the key to love. [/B][/QUOTE]

Happiness is a fleeting dream. It is as illusive as the Holy Grail and just as insubstantial.

Basing your life on the pursuit of happiness is, to many people who think about these things, one of the great sins of Western civilisation. Many people believe that there is so much anxiety and unhappiness in the Western world PRECISELY because so many people are looking for happiness. Trying to capture and hold onto happiness is like trying to catch your own shadow.

You just do what you need to do. You do what you think is good and right. And hopefully, happiness will follow.

And many of you here seem to think that love is something static and permanent. It isn't. And that's only a bad thing if you take it the wrong way.

Love is dynamic, fluid, and flowing, and that is as it should be. Experience, growth and diversity are essential ingredients to a full life. You live and you learn.

If you are still one of those people who believes in 'the one' then good for you. It just seems to me rather foolish to think that any person can find their 'one' out of 6 billion other souls. To me its more likely that there is a combination of 'you're with the one you love' AND 'you love the one you're with'.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cera [/i]
[B]And maybe love is the key to happiness.[/B][/QUOTE]
Love the person, not the idea...and for those of you who think they already know this, you're probably mistaken, cos its harder than you think.

Both of the points I outlined above can only truly be understood through experience. Just talking about it is not enough. And frankly, I doubt many of you are old enough to have had sufficient experience. So I'm probably wasting my breath....


PS: Probably at this point James, and most of the board would be thinking I'm such an arrogant, patronising a**. Oh well... :blush:

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]How did I miss this one...okay here it goes[/color]
[quote] 99% of the guys here would be unable to say no if an attractive girl asked them out - and the other 1% is gay.--Wrist Cutter[/quote]
[color=indigo]I agree 100%...I'd say yes.[/color]

[quote]I believe happiness is the key to love.--TN [/quote]
[quote]And maybe love is the key to happiness.--Cera [/quote]
[color=indigo]And (if you are a consenting adult) sex is the key to both :p [/color]

[NorykoAngelcry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo]I agree 100%...I'd say yes.[/color][/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=1]I don't see how you can agree with that statement. The one with the 99% of males saying yes to an attractive woman/girl. I would not be in that percentage, and I am not gay. I am not sure how many others are like me, but I am not really a guy who would just fall for a woman just because she asked me out. I usually take the time to get to know someone before just going ga-ga over them and trailing them like a puppy.

I am sorry. . perhaps I may seem to be yelling, but it is pretty sad when people make petty assumptions on everyone because they got hurt once or twice and are holding a grudge on the whole male race.

Oh well. . probably making no sense. . *bows* [/SIZE][/COLOR]

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NorykoAngelcry [/i]
[B][COLOR=darkred][SIZE=1]I don't see how you can agree with that statement. The one with the 99% of males saying yes to an attractive woman/girl. I would not be in that percentage, and I am not gay. I am not sure how many others are like me, but I am not really a guy who would just fall for a woman just because she asked me out. I usually take the time to get to know someone before just going ga-ga over them and trailing them like a puppy.

I am sorry. . perhaps I may seem to be yelling, but it is pretty sad when people make petty assumptions on everyone because they got hurt once or twice and are holding a grudge on the whole male race.

Oh well. . probably making no sense. . *bows*[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]I understand very well what you said. I think what wrist cutter said was a pretty gross generalization (though I'm not saying it's completely false). Like you (Noryko) I prefer to get to know someone before I going "ga-ga" over them, lol. I made the mistake of not doing that with my first girlfriend, and I've learned from that since then.[/color]

[wrist cutter]

I wouldn't say a gross generalization. I never said "99% of men would instantly fall in love forever if an attractive girl asked them out". [i]That[/i] would be a gross generalization. However, accepting is a totally different thing. And in that regard, I'd say my "radical statement" wasn't so radical at all.

[Ryan]

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I have to admit, before I would have said "yes" automatically to a good looking girl if she asked me out, but now I have matured a little bit. I mean, now I would like to get to know the girl better before I said "yes" or "no" to them, but on the other hand I am friends with everyone in my school so I pretty much know a lot about them as a person. Like some of my (girl) friends are snobs to other girls that aren't popular or aren't cheerleaders or anything like that. I don't encourage them to do that, but there really isn't anything I could do about them doing it. They would probably end up doing it anyway. But they don't do that much anymore, but anyway, I like to get to know a girl now. You just sorta figure out the person before saying "yes" to a pure rich snob who thinks the whole world revolves around them. It is also smarter. But I haven't been with another girl because of the recent heartbreak of my ex who dumped me for another guy. We are still friends and talk all the time.

Ok I will shut up with this boring stuff...[/size]

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i]
[B]I wouldn't say a gross generalization. I never said "99% of men would instantly fall in love forever if an attractive girl asked them out". [i]That[/i] would be a gross generalization. However, accepting is a totally different thing. And in that regard, I'd say my "radical statement" wasn't so radical at all.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]If by "accepting is a totally different thing" you mean accepting the fact that you would really say 'yes' instead of just saying you'd say 'no', I do agree. In all honesty, I would probably tell the girl 'maybe', lol. I tend to be very indecisive about things. Either that or I'd say 'no' (in which this would be a girl I obviously don't care to know), or just be really sarcastic with my response, whether it be playful of spiteful sarcasm. I don't know, I'm not the kind of guy that randomly gets asked by a girl to 'go out' with her.. so I'd probablyj ust look at her really weird at first, [i]then[/i] give one of the previous responses. I don't think I'd instantly say 'yes' though. I'm not that spontaneous of a person.[/color]

[Mitch]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by \¤~NoodleZ~¤/ [/i]
[B][size=1]
I have to admit, before I would have said "yes" automatically to a good looking girl if she asked me out, but now I have matured a little bit.

Ok I will shut up with this boring stuff...[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red] I don't understand how some people can be so shallow. I mean, they excuse getting to know a girl because she looks 'ugly' as they percieve them. Bleh, I hate that. Many people need to realize that the person that they fall in love with isn't going to be this dream girl, it's going to be someone that has a similar personality, a similar intrest. That it's going to be someone that is almost the same person as them. They need to see that just because they behold someone as 'ugly' on the outside doesn't mean that they aren't beautiful on the inside. Because once you actually see what a person truly is on the inside, how their personality is, what are their dislikes and likes, you will see a beautiful, attractive person on the outside. I might not be making any sense anymore...so I'll stop here...[/color]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B]If by "accepting is a totally different thing" you mean accepting the fact that you would really say 'yes' instead of just saying you'd say 'no', I do agree.[/B][/QUOTE]

It's hard to sum up into one sentence like I wanted too... but it seemed like some people perceived my statistical statement to mean "99% of guys would instantly fall flat on their face and grovel at a hot chick's feet if she asked them out"... when what I meant was "99% of guys would NOT SAY NO"... perhaps that makes more sense.

[Anna]

I think there is a lot of self-righteousness going on. As a girl, I know that I'm atttracted to looks.......... [i]just like[/i] guys are attracted to looks! Wow! A connection! That's natural, more like: that's human/hormones/animal instict, or what have you. Now that THAT'S out of the way, besides this, everyone is different in what they value as important in another person. Some think intelligence is key. Others think wit and know-how is a must. And then there's the ever-prominent group labled LOOKIN TO SCORE which consists of *both* genders. It really just depends. And I'll tell you this: if want a really great person to like you, you have to make sure you're worthy of the person yourself.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i]
[B]It's hard to sum up into one sentence like I wanted too... but it seemed like some people perceived my statistical statement to mean "99% of guys would instantly fall flat on their face and grovel at a hot chick's feet if she asked them out"... when what I meant was "99% of guys would NOT SAY NO"... perhaps that makes more sense.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Meh, I pretty much took it as a combination of the two. As in "99% of guys would say yes and instantly fall flat on their face and grovel at a hot chick's feet is she asked them out." Both of your statements mean pretty much the same thing to me..[/color]

[Avalon]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AnimeLover [/i]
[B][color=red] I don't understand how some people can be so shallow. I mean, they excuse getting to know a girl because she looks 'ugly' as they percieve them. Bleh, I hate that. Many people need to realize that the person that they fall in love with isn't going to be this dream girl, it's going to be someone that has a similar personality, a similar intrest. That it's going to be someone that is almost the same person as them. They need to see that just because they behold someone as 'ugly' on the outside doesn't mean that they aren't beautiful on the inside.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Oh, I wish the men that I knew thought like that!

[NorykoAngelcry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo]Meh, I pretty much took it as a combination of the two. As in "99% of guys would say yes and instantly fall flat on their face and grovel at a hot chick's feet is she asked them out." Both of your statements mean pretty much the same thing to me..[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=1]I think those are similar in some ways, but I can see what she meant to say now.

But lets look at this a bit more in detail. When you say that we would go out with them, I suppose that is sort of an unfair statement. How are you supposed to get to know the person if you don't go out with them. When I say go out, I don't in any way mean a date. . It is a bit unfair to assume that because someone talks to a guy that he is only thinking about one thing.

I suppose your statement can work because it is so general. But what you are meaning by it, I don't agree with it. I am sorry for whatever happened to you WristCutter to make you think that we are the slum of the earth. Well. . maybe some are, but I don't think you should feel that way about EVERYONE of us.

*sigh* once again I feel that I am yelling. .but just because my luck with women hasn't been exactly the best, I don't hold a grudge against every one of them. Guess that is cause I am a wuss ^_^[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NorykoAngelcry [/i]
[B]I am sorry for whatever happened to you WristCutter to make you think that we are the slum of the earth. Well. . maybe some are, but I don't think you should feel that way about EVERYONE of us.[/B][/QUOTE]

Who said anything about slum of the earth? I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I'm not saying women are much more "moral" or anything either... Anna gets the point.

[Anna]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i]
[B]Who said anything about slum of the earth? I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I'm not saying women are much more "moral" or anything either... Anna gets the point. [/B][/QUOTE]

:toothy: I just don't think it's fair to lump everyone of a certain gender together at all..... period. I know *plenty* of guys who only talk about sex and only get with a girl because of that reason, but I also know of girls who are the exact same way. But that also doesn't mean that all teenagers are raging hormonal monsters! I personally know a few (yeah, I have to admit the intentional use of the word "few") guys who are virgins, aren't ashamed of it, intend on staying that way until marriage, and from just knowing them as well as I do, sex isn't on their minds, or at least they don't give in and dwell on it. And I also know a lot of girls who are the aforementioned description, including myself. It isn't fair to slap a label on someone's forehead just because of which chromosome they got. People as a whole are all different.... remember that children! :lecture:

[NorykoAngelcry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i]
[B]:toothy: I just don't think it's fair to lump everyone of a certain gender together at all..... period. I know *plenty* of guys who only talk about sex and only get with a girl because of that reason, but I also know of girls who are the exact same way. But that also doesn't mean that all teenagers are raging hormonal monsters! I personally know a few (yeah, I have to admit the intentional use of the word "few") guys who are virgins, aren't ashamed of it, intend on staying that way until marriage, and from just knowing them as well as I do, sex isn't on their minds, or at least they don't give in and dwell on it. And I also know a lot of girls who are the aforementioned description, including myself. It isn't fair to slap a label on someone's forehead just because of which chromosome they got. People as a whole are all different.... remember that children! :lecture: [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=1]*raises hand* I am a virgin. . and I am 21. That's not to say that I am really waiting for marraige, but I have refrained for many reasons. I have not found the right woman, most of them that seem right turn out to become good friends more then anything further. Oh well. . that is my story =) Perhaps some day I will find the right woman, I just hope that she is someone that I really get along with =)

Anyways, I totally agree with you saying that it is unfair to lump everyone together, and I suppose that is what set me off before (if you call my monotone replies - being set off). If you try to stand out so hard from what everyone else is like, only to be cast in the same group as them, it is upsetting, and I took offense. . [/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Saiya-jinro]

I won't have sex until I get married too. i don't feel ashamed either. I haven't beeen in a serious relationship though. I had a girlfriend for a couple weeks, but she broke with me, without me knowing it. It wasn't meant too be though. And you know what, there was some people that said I was gay just because, I didn't have a girlfriend.

[PiroMunkie]

[color=indigo]Any person who says that they never think about sex is lying, lol. Unless it's a littel kid who doesn't even know what it is. People may not think about it on a perverted or lustful level as other, but it is only natural to think about it in someway at times. I mean, a little more than a year ago when I became an uncle and I first saw my neice it was kind of nice. I never realized how little newborn babies are. Then after that when I got some time to myself (probably here at the computer like it usually is), one's bored mind tends to trail off on thought and I just came to think about what it takes for a child to be. So there I was thinking of sex, but not on the level that probably a majority of people my age do.

Oh yeah, I play for the "V Team" as well. :p Darn proud of it.[/color]

[liamc2]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Saiya-jinro [/i]
[B]I won't have sex until I get married too. i don't feel ashamed either. I haven't beeen in a serious relationship though. I had a girlfriend for a couple weeks, but she broke with me, without me knowing it. It wasn't meant too be though. And you know what, there was some people that said I was gay just because, I didn't have a girlfriend. [/B][/QUOTE]

lol, same here, hell, I get called gay even when I go to the vending machines. I get called gay when I'm in the library, I get called gay before school, after school, during school etc. What do you do about it? Simple, vent all your anger into a very depressing/hateful story of the events that plague you every day merely because of your moral stance, then move on.

Simple.