My HUGE Beef with Avril Lavigne

[Rancid]

[COLOR=crimson]"Punk rock queen"- J14 (Teen Magazine)[/COLOR]

[color=crimson] Avril Lavigne is just a packaged product and a leader in the pop-punk movement. It's just a fad like pogs were. pretty soon it's going to die out and I say the sooner the better. [/color]

[color=crimson]Punk is dead. Get over it. And like I said before it's becoming just a trend or a fad now, I've been listening to punk since i wasn't big enough to reach the kitchen counter, and now all I'm seeing is packaged products on tv and those pop stars that don't even write their own music or play there own instuments. [/color]

[color=crimson] Which brings me to another point, Avril Lavigne gets paid to strum her guitar 3 times during her music videos and sing songs that some guy she met on the street wrote. It's all getting very annoying. I don't know what this world is coming to.[/color]

[color=crimson] Also she carries around a 300$ skateboard that she dosn't even ride. Come on Avril give it up.[/color]

[color=crimson] Give me you're opinion and I'm hoping Piromunkie sees this thread, I want to see his response.[/color]

[Guest Anakin Solo]

Shouldnt this be in the music forums?

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJGoten [/i]
[B]Shouldnt this be in the music forums? [/B][/QUOTE]

NO SHI[i][/i]T! Let a mod take care of it when they see it.

That's what it always seemed like to me. Punk seemed like a fad... of course, there were those who have always been listening to it, but right now I think people are just trying to be "badass". Of course this applies to not just punk, but hard rock like Slipknot and stuff like that. The thing that bugs is that with these types of music, there is like a way of life to supplement it... you have to have certain views on certain things and such in order to be a "true" fan of the the genre...

[Red]

[b]I can understand your viewpoint Wrist Cutter but some people actually like that kind of music. I hate Slipknot as much as some other people but it's there choice in music and it's their opinion. I listen to Blink 182, Box Car Racer and other bands that you could count as "punk", but I also listen to music such as hip hop, heavy metal and even classical. It does not mean I stroll around with a Slipknot shirt and a mask on my face, just I listen to the music.

You're not supposed to swear are you? Or should a mod take care of that as well?[/b]

[Rancid]

[color=crimosn]The Elite DBZ, I wasn't talking about those pop-punk bands like Blink 182 or Box Car Racer, actually punk bands like Black Flag or The distillers, though I can understand where wrist cutter is coming from, punk wasn't always a fad like when the Ramones were around.It's just now people try to hard to look "badass".Even though like I said before Punk is Dead.[/color]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Elite DBZ [/i]
[B]I can understand your viewpoint Wrist Cutter but some people actually like that kind of music. I hate Slipknot as much as some other people but it's there choice in music and it's their opinion. I listen to Blink 182, Box Car Racer and other bands that you could count as "punk", but I also listen to music such as hip hop, heavy metal and even classical. It does not mean I stroll around with a Slipknot shirt and a mask on my face, just I listen to the music.[/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah I know, that's why I said "of course, there were those who have always been listening to it"... meaning "there are some people who actually like the music".

[Foredaddy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wing Gundam [/i]
[B]

[color=crimson] It's just a fad like pogs were. [/color]

[/B][/QUOTE]

Pogs are out!? :devil: I just bought a new smasher!:flaming: son of a...

[Rancid]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Foredaddy [/i]
[B]Pogs are out!? :devil: I just bought a new smasher!:flaming: son of a... [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=crimson]Please stick to the subject.[/COLOR]

[Juu]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Wrist Cutter[/i]
I think people are just trying to be "badass"[/quote]

[color=deeppink] [size=1]Not everyone....

I'm a big fan of rock, but I still just like it... because I like it. ^^
I like anything with a good beat.. something kinda exciting and jumpy-ish. ^^ at least kinda....

And... hmm.... Rock is aged??

...hmm...

I learn more and more things everyday......[/color] [/size]

[Foredaddy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wing Gundam [/i]
[B][COLOR=crimson]Please stick to the subject.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

you're the one who brought it up. Anyways, Avril whatsit is obviously a total rip. There songs aren't even really punk. Just a big pile pop in a punk imaged box. Actually I thought it was funny during the MTV awards when she said "I have finally achieved my dream after all these years." Now that was good. She is all of 17. Yeah, thats all I got. :devil:

P.S. Where is the sense of humor around here? Man its a PC political mess around here now.:( oops Id better stick to the subject. my bad.

[Semjaza]

I can't stand half of the Japanese music I've heard, but I don't go proclaiming it in every thread. What's the point?

I know many different types of people into many different types of punk. Some think these is a certain mentality you have to be into it, most don't. I've liked metal all my life (it was replaced by punk a few years ago because I like that better), and yeah there are the stereotypical idiots that go along with it... but most of them are nothing like that.

There is a HUGE difference between 95% of "punk" an average person knows (such as Avril if that's even what she is considered and to a lesser extent Blink and Offspring) and bands that are changing and defining the punk scene now that these same people know nothing about.

Anyone that hates crap like Avril, and the dozen other Blink wannabes, and thinks all punk is like that is a moron. Punk isn't dead as a whole, but I sure wish this whole parade of trendy pop punk with no real basis or point would just frickin die already.

Honestly, if you go by that mentality nearly all music is dead. Every genre has it's marketing puppets and sellouts.

[Rancid]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]I can't stand half of the Japanese music I've heard, but I don't go proclaiming it in every thread. What's the point?

I know many different types of people into many different types of punk. Some think these is a certain mentality you have to be into it, most don't. I've liked metal all my life (it was replaced by punk a few years ago because I like that better), and yeah there are the stereotypical idiots that go along with it... but most of them are nothing like that.

There is a HUGE difference between 95% of "punk" an average person knows (such as Avril if that's even what she is considered and to a lesser extent Blink and Offspring) and bands that are changing and defining the punk scene now that these same people know nothing about.

Anyone that hates crap like Avril, and the dozen other Blink wannabes, and thinks all punk is like that is a moron. Punk isn't dead as a whole, but I sure wish this whole parade of trendy pop punk with no real basis or point would just frickin die already.

Honestly, if you go by that mentality nearly all music is dead. Every genre has it's marketing puppets and sellouts. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=crimson]I know the actual music is not dead, there are some good punk bands left (Millencolin,Goldfinger,NOFX, etc.) but the punk scene itself is dead.[/COLOR]

[Semjaza]

Well in terms of the popular punk scene... I'd guess so. I personally look more into Chicago's local scene... which while it slowed down, it's still far from dying lol. I guess it all depends :). I get your point though.

Bands like Millencolin and Goldfinger seem to be gaining popularity because of all this BS, which I guess is good in the long run.

Ataris are putting something out on Columbia Records, I wonder what that will lead to now that they are off the smaller punk labels (Kung Fu, etc.). Yeah they were always kinda poppy, other than a few songs, but they still were great. As long as they don't suddenly change their entire sound I don't really mind how far they go. Afterall, making it is really the goal of every band... despite what some claim.

[Char!]

[color=teal][size=1][b]People, music is music, and different fans listen to different types. I personally don't care about sellouts or controversies or whether something is dead or not. I'll listen to anything that pleases my ears.

And as long as it's loud... Loud and fast... And [i]angry...[/i] :devil: :devil: :devil:


--Mike[/b][/color][/size]

[Rancid]

[COLOR=crimson]Yeah they're gaining popularity and there beginning to become more mainstream, but with the huge record labels like Epitaph or Hellcat there the ones keeping the actual music alive.[/COLOR]

[PiroMunkie]

[color=indigo]Yeah.. this topic should really be in music. ::tries to move it there:: Dang.. I was hoping for a quick glitch, lol.

As for my actual response to Avril Lavigne.. I don't think it would be all that appropriate. Especially since I'm a mod and have to set a good example ;) lol. I don't knowwhat to say except that I hate her with a raging passion. I'm pretty sure she won't last too long. You can only get so far when you're an eleventh grade drop-out who didn't know what the word "mutate" meant (true story, I read it in an article, one of her "executives" said that). That's really sad considering I'm currently in eleventh, and I've known what "mutate" means since I was 5 years old watching the [i]Teenage [b]Mutant[/b] Ninja Turtles[/i], lol.

But yeah, she makes me want to hang myself... which I could do real easily. It's funny cause people think she is so attractive... obviously they've never seen her without make-up.


As for the whole "punk trend"... it seems to be kind of dying down. At least here it is anyway. It is about time. I sick of people who think 'punk' is a style.[/color]

[Rancid]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo]Yeah.. this topic should really be in music. ::tries to move it there:: Dang.. I was hoping for a quick glitch, lol.

As for my actual response to Avril Lavigne.. I don't think it would be all that appropriate. Especially since I'm a mod and have to set a good example ;) lol. I don't knowwhat to say except that I hate her with a raging passion. I'm pretty sure she won't last too long. You can only get so far when you're an eleventh grade drop-out who didn't know what the word "mutate" meant (true story, I read it in an article, one of her "executives" said that). That's really sad considering I'm currently in eleventh, and I've known what "mutate" means since I was 5 years old watching the [i]Teenage [b]Mutant[/b] Ninja Turtles[/i], lol.

But yeah, she makes me want to hang myself... which I could do real easily. It's funny cause people think she is so attractive... obviously they've never seen her without make-up.


As for the whole "punk trend"... it seems to be kind of dying down. At least here it is anyway. It is about time. I sick of people who think 'punk' is a style.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=crimson]She seriously didn't know what mutant means? Damn that girl needs to be educated. Oh well we'll see if she made the right decision to drop out when this pop punk phase dies totally down.[/COLOR]

[color=crimson] This is beginning to be a good discussio, keep posting people I want to hear more peoples opinions. [/color]

[Semjaza]

A lot of bands consist of people that dropped out of school. Still... [i]mutant[/i]? How can someone write songs when then don't even know basic words like that? I'm not sure if she even writes her own stuff, but whatever.

I remember when Christina Aguilera was talking to Tiger Woods and said something like, "I love watching you play tennis!" She was actually serious too. Quite sad.

[Rancid]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]A lot of bands consist of people that dropped out of school. Still... [i]mutant[/i]? How can someone write songs when then don't even know basic words like that? I'm not sure if she even writes her own stuff, but whatever.[/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=crimson]She [i]dosn't[/i] write her own music I already stated that.[/COLOR] :p

[Char!]

[b][color=teal][size=1]Well, that Aguilara chick is just plain retarded anyway...

But I happen to like some of Avril Lavigne's songs, especially "Complicated." And I don't really care who wrote it, it sounds good, people listen to it, and it got her rich, so...

That's enough for me. :)


--Mike[/b][/color][/size]

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wing Gundam [/i]
[B][COLOR=crimson]She [i]dosn't[/i] write her own music I already stated that.[/COLOR] :p[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Actually, they're co-written. So she has [i]some[/i] input in them. I doubt there's much of her in there though.[/color]

[Semjaza]

Oh, I missed that part :drunk:.

Well then doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of punk in the first place?

At least at first (like WAY back) it was kind of about rebellion, and to an extent it still is depending on the band. There are also so many political punk bands out there... I guess some companies just figured there were enough casual listeners of "punk" that Avril would be a good investment.

Honestly, I've heard so little of Avril. All I know is that the second I saw and heard her, [b]nothing[/b] made me think she was punk. If she doesn't write the songs, then what does she have to say? What is the point of her music? Punk can't be done in the same was as boy bands, you can't have a panel of lyricists write songs for you.

Since when do teen magazines know anything about music outside of looks anyway? lol

[Rancid]

[COLOR=darkred]Well she does co-write the songs but she dosn't even know the guy she co-writes with and she shouldn't say she's something that she's not, Like on TRL (I saw this in a article) she said she was an "awesome skater" but in another interview she said she sucked and the director wanted her to carry around a skateboard in the video. [/COLOR]

[Char!]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]Oh, I missed that part :drunk:.

Well then doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of punk in the first place?

At least at first (like WAY back) it was kind of about rebellion, and to an extent it still is depending on the band. There are also so many political punk bands out there... I guess some companies just figured there were enough casual listeners of "punk" that Avril would be a good investment.

Honestly, I've heard so little of Avril. All I know is that the second I saw and heard her, [b]nothing[/b] made me think she was punk. If she doesn't write the songs, then what does she have to say? What is the point of her music? Punk can't be done in the same was as boy bands, you can't have a panel of lyricists write songs for you.

Since when do teen magazines know anything about music outside of looks anyway? lol [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=teal][size=1][b]Dude, [i]excellent[/i] points... She really couldn't be punk if she doesn't write her own songs and express herself...

Dude, Avril Lavigne could very well be the biggest poser ever. She might be one of the whitest people out there.

And by "white" I mean "suburban, boring, etc." it's just a word I use. Let's not get defensive now...


--Mike[/b][/color][/size]

[Mitch]

[color=red] Punk isn't dead. Something doesn't just die...it lives on as a paradoxed, watered down, version of its own self. So nothing dies. As for Avril Lavigne, she does annoy me, but I just ignore her, and poof, she's no longer even a signer. If music is annoying to you--[i]don't listen to it[/i]. That's all I have to say.[/color]