My HUGE Beef with Avril Lavigne

[Transtic Nerve]

Tell me again why people hate what they cannot control?

That seems to be a prominant problem within human society.... to hate what you damn well know you can do nothing about. Just get over it. DOn't buy her music, don't listen to her songs, if they come on the radio, I'm sure you can simply click one button and it all goes away. I don't like rap, but jesus all mighty, I don't care if they rap. If they do, I'll simply not listen. punk/pop/rap/rock... who cares... and as far as I know, she's making a hell of alot more money than you. So hell if I wouldn't jump at the opportunity. Plus her guitarist is reallllly cute... but that has nothing to do with how I feel about her music.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]and as far as I know, she's making a hell of alot more money than you. So hell if I wouldn't jump at the opportunity.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]To some people it really isn't all about the money, though. I try to live pretty minimalistic. I only want what I need to live a fairly normal life. Living "up there" can only lead to arrogance and ignorance as to what it is like to not have all that money. I don't want that. Money is power. The more money you have, the more power you have. As the old saying goes: "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." I have no reason to believe that is not true. I'd rather stay where I am than make a hundred million dollars a year. I don't need all of that. Sure, not having enough money comes along sometimes... quite often with me being that I dont have a job and holidays are coming, but you can't gain much life experience if you can get everything you want.[/color]

[Rancid]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PiroMunkie [/i]
[B][color=indigo]To some people it really isn't all about the money, though. I try to live pretty minimalistic. I only want what I need to live a fairly normal life. Living "up there" can only lead to arrogance and ignorance as to what it is like to not have all that money. I don't want that. Money is power. The more money you have, the more power you have. As the old saying goes: "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." I have no reason to believe that is not true. I'd rather stay where I am than make a hundred million dollars a year. I don't need all of that. Sure, not having enough money comes along sometimes... quite often with me being that I dont have a job and holidays are coming, but you can't gain much life experience if you can get everything you want.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=crimson]Exactly what i wanted to say. Why do I need all that money when I have the people who care about me around me and all the friends I can handle. I'm fine were I am. And music is not just about money TN, big deal they live in a mansion that takes up a full block, I bet it's pretty lonely living in a huge mansion that you can't even find your way around.[/COLOR]

[Mr. Maul]

I love Avril.
I also love rock and some rap.
I hate slipknot 'c ause half the time you can't tell what they're saying.
But I love their vdeos.

[Transtic Nerve]

You're right, music isn't all just about money, and I neevr said it was. To some people, like Eminem, it's all about the money. But you cannot sit here and tell me that alot of bands aren't made because they or their record company want the big bucks. What appeals to people is what sells. What appeals to people more than a sexy chick with 4 guys who sings a mix of pop and rock? Apparently nothing because she's makin the big bucks making music the majority will listen to. She could make absolute **** and guess what, people will listen. You don't need talent in the music industry anymore. You need looks and you need promotion.... Thats all, just ask Britney Speares. Why do you think we have a TON Of rappers all at the same time? Or a ton of boy bands. You think these people just waltz out of the closet at the same time? Ofcourse not. They are led out by these big record companies to appeal to the masses of loser fans who have nothing better to do than waste their time and oney on crap. The only bands now-a-days who do everything for the love of music and for their personal enjoyment are indie bands and people not considered "pop". I don't really care, this isn't the point. The point is that you shouldn't care about a group, band, person to whom will make whatever they please to please whoever they can and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

[9mm Avenger]

Gee...This is funny...Every day, I hear people b*tching about Avril Lavenge...And they all say the same thing.

Punk isn't dead..It just appeals to a certain group. If you don't like a certain type of music, and want to complain about it..

Well, here's 25 cents...Call someone who cares.

[Rancid]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Majora's Mask [/i]
[B]Gee...This is funny...Every day, I hear people b*tching about Avril Lavenge...And they all say the same thing.

Punk isn't dead..It just appeals to a certain group. If you don't like a certain type of music, and want to complain about it..

Well, here's 25 cents...Call someone who cares. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=crimson]why are you here if you don't even care? Obviously the people in here care about the topic and they want to discuss, and BTW punk IS dead. It's been dead for like 5 years now. So don't come back if you don't care about the topic, get a life moron.[/COLOR]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]

Every genre has it's marketing puppets and sellouts. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=royalblue]That's exactly right.

In reality, no music genre is dead if people are listening to it. I so often see people being intolerant of genres of music that they personally don't like -- which in itself isn't so much a problem -- but when they start proclaiming that a certain genre is objectively horrible or something...well, that's not what a music lover should be all about.

There are some aspects of music (or should I say, music "culture") that I don't like.

For example, I don't like the way a lot of rappers speak..not so much because they swear (swearing doesn't bug me in that sense), but all these stupid words they come up with that EVERYONE starts using. I find it infuriating at times...

But then again, I don't consider this to be an indictment of the music itself. I can respect any kind of music for its artistic nature, but by the same token, some of the cultural changes and fads that follow certain forms of music can bug the hell out of me.

So, I think you have to be careful. It's very easy to point out the sellouts and such...and point out the people who unquestionably follow a certain music fad in every way imaginable (including clothing, speach and whatever else). But you have to seperate that from the raw music itself. And certainly, you can't indict an entire genre of music just because it has some blatant sellouts or ripoffs.[/color]

[Stitch]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wing Gundam [/i]
[B][COLOR=crimson] BTW punk IS dead. It's been dead for like 5 years now. So don't come back if you don't care about the topic, get a life moron.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]


whoa!! PUNK IS NOT DEAD MORON sorry if that made you mad but just try to imagine if i said that the type of music you like was dead and then called you a moron how would u feel so u get a life and you think about what your saying

now back on topic punk is not dead. i myself am very much punk i will post my pics soon and you will see that punk does live on. if you come to my area punk is as alive as you are everyone loves punk and everyone hates avril beacause she makes the name punk look bad. punk isn't trying to be a badass its trying to detrmine your individuality as you. there was a thread of quotes and i belive one of them stated "PUNK IS A STATE OF MIND" so you could look like a geeky overwieght bag of chips and still be punk. punk is who you are not what you do and look like so punk is alive no matter how dead you think it is
~GG~

[James]

[color=royalblue]As I said...if people listen to it, it's alive.

Proclaiming an entire genre of music "dead" is just stupid. It doesn't achieve anything except making fans of that type of music angry.

Let's face it...music is such a personal thing. We all have our own tastes. It's unfair to call someone else's favourite music "dead". Granted, sometimes the sellouts make it [i]appear[/i] dead...but even if the sellouts are popular, that's still a self evident fact lol...I mean, if these people are being heard and demanded, then they are most certainly not dead (as much as we would hope they'd go away lol).[/color]

[9mm Avenger]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wing Gundam [/i]
[B][COLOR=crimson]why are you here if you don't even care? Obviously the people in here care about the topic and they want to discuss, and BTW punk IS dead. It's been dead for like 5 years now. So don't come back if you don't care about the topic, get a life moron.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

First off:I do have a life. Let's get that clear. If not having a life consists of flaming someone for there opinion, guess you fit into that catigory, too. ;)

And Punk isn't dead. You just think it is, because you don't listen to that type of music. If you bought the records, and enjoyed the music, to you, Punk would be alive.

And Wing Gundam...get your head out of your as*, and just accept the fact that music is everywhere, wheteher you like the generas, or not.(had to be said)

And the reason some people don't care is because differing opnions.

[PiroMunkie]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ~Gohans Gurl~ [/i]
[B]i myself am very much punk i will post my pics soon and you will see that punk does live on.[/B][/QUOTE][color=indigo]Modest much?

You showing us your pictures can't really prove anything. Anyone can make themselves look "punk". But being "punk" isn't about how you look, unless you speak of the 'trendy punk'/'pop-punk'. Only then would you be correct. A lot of people just don't understand that. I had this one person try and tell me that 'punk' is a style not long ago. I decided not to argue with her, since I know her well enough to know that she knows jack about the culture. I often confuse her with how I dress. One day I may look 'goth', the next I may look like the stereotypical 'punk'; the next I'm wearing slacks, a collared shirt, and using a noose as a tie (yes, I've done that before). Only when I go to a show will I actually 'dress up' like a 'punk', which in itself is a very wide range of clothes. It helps get the full effect of the atmosphere of the concert.

I must disagree with you Wing Gundam, just as the rest, punk is not dead. I listen to, you listen to it, others here listen to it, I know plenty of other people that do. Thus it still lives on. It wouldn't matter if you were the only person on the planet that listened to it, it would still be there in you. Even if all punk bands stopped producing albums, those who have those pre-existing ones can keep the culture alive. Even if the music didn't exist, there'd still be people like all of us. Punk is not dead, it just sits in the back row because it prefers not to be well-known.[/color]

[Semjaza]

The only person I've really seen that had a punk dress code is Ben Weasel... It's pretty funny to see someone dress [i]exactly[/i] to that; people are sheep sometimes. There are some people you look at, and you just KNOW they listen to punk... But usually they look like they are straight out of the Sex Pistols lol. Other than that, it's really getting harder and harder to tell. I have friends really into punk that I would have never guessed would even know one band.

I don't get exactly what you mean by punk being dead. Is it dead simply because market created bands are feeding off of it? I mean, obviously it's still around and quite a few people here listen to it.

Music is music, and I'm not going to try to get into this whole "punk is a mentality" thing simply because I don't think anyone really knows what that really means. All I know is that marketing gimmicks don't belong, as it basically contradicts what punk was started for and continues to exist for.

[Rancid]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Majora's Mask [/i]
[B]First off:I do have a life. Let's get that clear. If not having a life consists of flaming someone for there opinion, guess you fit into that catigory, too. ;)

And Punk isn't dead. You just think it is, because you don't listen to that type of music. If you bought the records, and enjoyed the music, to you, Punk would be alive.

And Wing Gundam...get your head out of your as*, and just accept the fact that music is everywhere, wheteher you like the generas, or not.(had to be said)

And the reason some people don't care is because differing opnions. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=crimson]I don't listen to the music? Me? And once again people did I say the music was dead? I just said the scene is dead.Don't judge me or tell me what music i do or do not listen to as you do not know me, please shut your mouth and go eat some cookies. [/COLOR]

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wing Gundam [/i]
[B][COLOR=crimson]I don't listen to the music? Me? And once again people did I say the music was dead? I just said the scene is dead.Don't judge me or tell me what music i do or do not listen to as you do not know me, please shut your mouth and go eat some cookies. [/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

Ok, thats quite enough of this senseless bickering.

Telling me a music genre is dead is like saying humans don't exist. Eminem said in one of his songs "Nobody listens to techno".... to him, perhaps this is true, but more people listen to techno than they do his music. I can garauntee that. All of Europe and Russia (China too very soon), and Japan are in a techno movement. Thats more than half the world right there that have techno played and listened to on a constant basis, where as Eminem has his music listened to... here.... and maybe a little in Europe and various other places, but not near as much. This applys to your sense as well. You obviously don't know about the "scene" or know enough about the music to say a movement is dead. Hell the Greatful Dead still have a movement and they haven't been around 30 years. I don't listen to punk, I don't dress punk, I'm not in the scene, but I have enough friends that are to know the scene is far from dead. In fact it's rather big right about now, which is EXACTLY why Avril Lavine is dressing like she is. She dresses punk, some people like that (who may also be "punk") and wham, she has new listeners. People don't throw an image that is "dead" in the music industry. It's bad business. Thats why you don't see hair bands or men with makeup and women's clothes anymore like you did in the 80s. It's bad business. No one's gonna buy your crap is you look like Twisted Sister here. You can watch Conan O'Brein and see that punk isn't dead. He consistantly has "no-name" bands on the show (punk or not)

All in all, it's awefully stupid to argue whether or not any music is good or bad or any music scene is dead or alive. It's always gonna be there. It's been there majorly since the Sex Pistols in the 60s and it'll be there till we evolve and no longer have ears, whether or not you believe it. Topic is now closed.