Anime Any one like the orginal Transformers.

[Galvatron]

Any one thinks the That the new Transformers shows are a bit dry compaired to the orginal Transformers.

[Omar Harris]

The anime TFs don't seem to be all that great. I didn't like Robots in Disguise because there were too many anime elements in the show that don't fit with TF. Like the characters calling out the names of their weapons, the bulky designs, the change to super modes, and I hated that ending because it was more of a Digimon or Pokemon ending than it was Transformers. Hopefully Armada will do better although it still isn't all that great so far compared to the like of the original an the Beast Wars and Beast Machines series.

[Ben Holiday]

The new shows definitely don't stand up to the originals especially the one on cartoon network. Transform into Moped, Skateboard and Bike. What happened to the cool transformations and look what they did to poor Laserbeak.

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

I hate to blow it to you shadowdramon, but all the reason that Transformers Robots in Disguise had anime elements in it. Was the fact that every Transformers show, including the Original Transformers is in fact an anime. They aired in Japan first, and the english version actually was altered to end differently then the Japanese version take of the Head Masters.

As for the current shows, I wasn't a big fan of T.R.I.D, the beast wars were ok for the exception that Beast Wars 2 not to be confused with Beast Machines never made it to America. As for the current show Transformers Armada its pretty good for the exception of the pokemonish elements of having to "Catch All the Mini con's. Its nice that this show is the closet to the original Transformers even Optimus looks like his proper self again.

[Kent]

One problem i have with it is the lack of transformer numbers.
Back in the day there were tons of these guys on each side.
Now its like 3 on 3 basketball.
What the heck?
Too much work i guess.

[Omar Harris]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rick Hunter [/i]
[B]I hate to blow it to you shadowdramon, but all the reason that Transformers Robots in Disguise had anime elements in it. Was the fact that every Transformers show, including the Original Transformers is in fact an anime. They aired in Japan first, and the english version actually was altered to end differently then the Japanese version take of the Head Masters. [/B][/QUOTE]

Not Necessarily. The original show was created by Hasbro (An American Company), with Japanese artist provided by Sunbow and American scripts provided by Marvel. It was the Japanese version that altered The Headmaster's ending. The 3-part "Rebirth" storyline was supposed to end it all, but the Japanese version of the show ignored "Rebirth", as in it doesn't exist in Japan, and continued the story several season afterwards. Beast Wars and Beast Machines were created by Mainframe Entertainment, a Canadian company and the same company responsible for Reboot, and all the "true" Anime shows, the ones that have Japanese artist and writers, are just Japanese remakes of the original.

The original and the Japanese shows are the only ones that are considered anime, even though most fans don't consider the original "anime", in the modern usage of the word, since it was created by Americans.

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shadowdramon [/i]
[B]Not Necessarily. The original show was created by Hasbro (An American Company), with Japanese artist provided by Sunbow and

The original and the Japanese shows are the only ones that are considered anime, even though most fans don't consider the original "anime", in the modern usage of the word, since it was created by Americans. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually I have to disagree with you one the first point, you forgot to take into acount the origin of Transformers. Which was based off a japanese toy line that came out in Japan first. The Japanese toy line which Hasbro bought was also based off various manga's done by artist around that time that had an influnce on the toy line being made. Now sure the manga's weren't called "Transformers" but the ideas of robots changing naturally came from Japan.

So in technicality the original origins of Transformers did come from Japan. So in a sense technically speaking the first show was of anime roots if not considered fully an anime.

That is depending on which version you grew up on, mine of course was Transformers 2012 aka the first Transformers in Japanese. So you must also take into account which version of the show you grew up on. Frankley we can't even win an argument over this.

The same argument of wether its an anime or not can be debated with Robotech/Macross situation. Japanese and American fans still to this day argue over Robotech being an anime. It did have an anime basis of combining three anime series into one show and altered the plot to become robotech. So if the anime elements are there is it still considered an anime as its english version of Robotech. The answer to that is we can't decide. There is no right or wrong to this topic or to the fact of wether you call Transformers an anime or not.

The answer depends on the person and versions.

I do agree though with you on Best Machines and Beast Wars. Those obviously aren't Japanese animes I should have made my post more clear since you misinterupted my post in certain aspects.

[Omar Harris]

Yeah. I was going to mention that but forgot about it. That's cool though.:) I usually don't consider the first show anime per se unless you use the true usage of the name (japanese for animation). That's just my views though. If TF wasn't show much a marketing ploy, the TV series would be much better. I prefer the Mainframe series over all of the TF shows I've seen, even the original. RID and Armada are a bit too kid-friendly and Digimonesque compared to the original. I hated how kids could turn back Fortress Maximus. That just ruined it for me.

PS: Rick, nice anime count. I'm not worthy:laugh:

[Solo Tremaine]

Beast Wars and Beast Machines are two of the best series I've ever watched, and that was what got me hooked into all TF series. But RID did disappoint me too. The episodes were so cliche- you could tell exactly what was going to happen, and the good guys always won, which annoys me intensely. Megatron was a wimp there. It could have been written really well, especially being on Earth where the original series was- could have had some great stories.

I've kinda got used to the calling out attacks thing (having been obsessed with Digimon for the last three years), but it got to a point when it just sounded too much like Digimon (apart from the fact that you could hear the voices of Flamedramon, Matt, Armadillomon and Gennai in it).

I've not seen Armada, but from what you've said it sounds the same. Someone I know ONLY likes the orignal TF series and that annoys me because he refuses to acknowledge that BW and BM are good programmes too. He's just being ignorant and too locked in his nostalgia. But that said, it was a 'classic'. And the Transformers Movie music's hard to beat- the score and the songs. "Dare! Dare to believe you can survive..." Great!

[Mnemolth]

Nothing can beat the original TF for me. By original I mean the very first series, I think there were few seasons. The earlier ones were better than the latter ones. Starscream was a riot. Optimus was righteous, and Megatron was ultra cool.

The later series with Galvatron was good. But Rodimus couldn't really fill the boots of Optimus. And tho Galvatron was better he was no Megatron. And I missed Starscream. :bawl:

The Head Masters was trash.

Beast Wars? Good first season. Then it went downhill. The whole idea about the planet and the alien was kewl. But the second and later seasons just made it really absurd.

Haven't seen the others.

[Omar Harris]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Solo Tremaine [/i]
[B]I've not seen Armada, but from what you've said it sounds the same. Someone I know ONLY likes the orignal TF series and that annoys me because he refuses to acknowledge that BW and BM are good programmes too. He's just being ignorant and too locked in his nostalgia. But that said, it was a 'classic'. And the Transformers Movie music's hard to beat- the score and the songs. "Dare! Dare to believe you can survive..." Great! [/B][/QUOTE]

Armada isn't that bad. It's much better than RID so far. There ae some pretty bad elements in it, most notably the Minicons who are supposed to make their wieders "all-powerful." Yeah right. Prime has the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, the most powerful TF weapon ever. The minicon shouldn't be able to beat that. There's no calling out the names of weapons this time. And of course, like RID, it ismade to be more kid-friendly than the American versions.

I like RID's Megatron's different modes and his voice. The Armada Megatron has he best AMerican VA so far, IMO, butthe Dragon Megatron from Beast Wars, and the Beast Machines versions are my favorites. It has Starscream in it, but I don't think he's as evil as he is in the original

[Solo Tremaine]

The Armada Megatron is Dave Kane- the Megatron from BM and BW. Gary Chalk is Optimus too.

The new Starscream design looks interesting. I like the red/black colour scheme.