Avril!

[Sere Tuscumbia]

No one word posts Cutter. Try to get at least two sentences, with more then three words each.

And ok, if the music wasn't about the message, then what was it about? Getting up on screen and having an orgy?!

Yeah, right. I'll believe that when hell freezes over and pigs rain down from heaven.

And if the music isn't about the message it carries, then why sing? Why not just go up on screen and have an orgy? I'm sure the perverted few would enjoy that.

*shrugs* Oh well, shows how low today's youth has sunk . . .

~!*Sere*!~

[Ryan]

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I always thought music was about the message. I have always believed that and I probably always will.

[quote][i]Originally posted by Sere Tuscumbia[/i]
Oh well, shows how low today's youth has sunk...[/quote]

Sad, but true...[/size]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sere Tuscumbia [/i]
[B]And ok, if the music wasn't about the message, then what was it about? [/B][/QUOTE]

OMG! You don't suppose it could be about the music do ya?!

Seriously. You want a message? Read a newspaper. Lots of political messages and such in there.

Music is about music. That's why there is [i]classical[/i] music and instrumental songs.

[Semjaza]

Message is something I addressed in my other post, and so have the other people arguing about this before. Considering this is the millionth thread on Avril, I'm sure the older ones would contain half of their arguments on "message" that is being brought up now. The point that it's about the message makes no sense to me, because Avril simply doesn't have her OWN message at all. I'm still not even understanding how what Sere is saying is going against what my problem with Avril is in the first place.

What possible message could she have when she isn't the one writing most of these songs? What exactly is the message? That she, and these lyricists that helped her write the song, ike skater boys? There is no personal message of her own in these songs.

I'd brush it aside otherwise, because there are tons of punkish bands I personally don't care for. The way this is being done though just goes against everything I always thought punk was about. The fact that she doesn't write these songs basically nullifies any possible "message" she could have.

I do not know of one other punk band that does not write their own songs. Someone spending hundreds of dollars on "punk" accessories she doesn't know how to use (such as that skateboard) just to look cool, to me, doesn't get punk in the first place. What could she possibly have to say if she doesn't even write most of these songs herself? She has very little influence on them, which would basically mean they are some sort of fabrication on her part.

These are things labels do to people in boy bands, and with stuff like Britney Spears. They are basically forcing her into punk because of bands like New Found Glory and BLink 182 that have been doing well recently. It's the same damn process. That is MY problem with it, which I think was clear before. She could call herself whatever she wanted (outside of yet another girl solo singer that sounds the same), and I'd be annoyed with what her and her label were doing.

Yeah, I know a lot of groups don't write or perform their own songs. This isn't the monkees, and generally these people you are referring to are part of a 5 piece singing group or a solo singer of sorts. BUT the whole pretending to be something else is part of the problem. The Backstreet Boys and Alicia Keys and Fiona Apple aren't trying to be something they're not.

And really, none of us (or at least myself) would ever talk about Avril if it wasn't brought up day in and day out here. If there are other groups people want to hate on, that's their business. They can bring them up all they want. Instead we get another Avril topic.

A lot of punk does have a messsage, whether you want to believe otherwise or not. Comparing two totally different genres of music, especially one with lyrics to one without makes a whole lot of sense. I'll listen to songs for a musical reason (instrumental only), but some are appealing because of what they are about, in addition to the music itself. A good deal of punk is about some sort of rebellion (small or otherwise), governmental problems and such other things. A lot of it is also about nothing haha. But at least I know they are writing this because it's what they feel and not because it sounds great and will sell CDs. If they wanted to sell a million copies they most likely wouldn't be a punk band.

If you don't get any of that now, I don't know what else to tell you lol. I don't care if other people don't have a problem with these same things. I personally do, as punk is something I listen to and honestly care about. I don't want to see it become another **** genre where anyone that looks good can go platinum. Again, it isn't really Avril herself, but the entire message it is conveying to me.

[Manic Webb]

It's official now. I could give a flying flock of birds about Avril and I could certainly give a care about whether or not she plays punk music. (That's all just my opinion)

I'm sorry that one person with one album offends you all so much because of her music. I mean, I could understand if she vocally took a shot at punk music, but you're treating her like the punk rock anti-christ because she doesn't understand what kind of music she's making.

This is my current opinion on this whole situation. If you don't like Avril Lavigne, then you don't like Avril Lavigne. If you like her, then you like her. It's just music. She's not going out there and taking a shot at your style, religion, or way of life. She's just someone doing what she wants to do. She might be doing it wrong, but that's her problem. Maybe someday, if you should ever run into her, you'll tell her your honest opinion about her music and inform her that she's going about her image all wrong.

And what does it matter to you what people think of punk music because of her? P. Diddy passes himself off as rap, but I'm not offended because he's wrong. I know the truth that he simply cannot rap, regardless of how many misinformed people think he can.

By the way, as far as we know, she could have been a "skater" where she comes from or simply used to hang out with them.

[Semjaza]

I'm not offended, I am just trying to show another side of this. Considering everyone else thinks my opinion on this is flawed, might as well get it out there so they maybe could at least see my point. I don't listen to Avril really, I don't mind her as she is either. I just don't like the way things with music in general are heading, and she is a good scapegoat for this. She is accessible because she fits into this group and is brought up here daily. That was the basic idea :).

If people like her that's cool. The only reason I chimed in at all about any of this was because people were acting like there was no opinion to have on her. It's hard to not pay attention to something when you see and hear about it near constantly. But I'm done lol.

[JCBaggee]

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[color=red]Oh god. I'm sorry. Someone close this quick...so much violence...

--J.C.[/color]

[amibasuki]

[FONT=arial]......where?.........anyways......

if Avril hadn't decided to proclaim to the world that she was punk, I wouldn't have much of a problem with her. her music sounds fine, it's her I have the problem with. see, I have this thing against people who are fake and dress/act a certain way just to get attention. that is what she's doing. not to mention she's giving people who don't know much about punk music a false image of what punk is/sounds like. 'Complicated' is nowhere NEAR punk. but yeah, I've already posted my opinion, just thought I'd go into more detail with it...
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[Ryan]

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I think everyone has a problem with Avril. I think everyone has expressed how they feel good or bad. Now no more arguments. I think this thread should be closed.[/size]

[Mitch]

[color=red] Yeh, I think this should be closed to. Actually, I think this thread should've never happend. I mean there was already one earlier...*glares at BabyGirl* CLOSE THIS[/color]

[wrist cutter]

Just because people have conflicting views doesn't mean the topic should be closed. I think it's basically "over" anyway.

[vegeta rocker]

She cannot sing!!! My sister was like she can but man she is terrible. I hate people clasifying her as punk. People assume i like and it is just.....you know what! I was listening to a Bane cd and someone actually asked me if they were as cool as avril.....i restrained myself with great effort. Besides she shops at old navy....how is that punk? Shopping at the outlet?

[JCBaggee]

[color=red]Allow me to clear this up: conflicting views, good. Angry means of outtake...bad. Plus, I had no idea this thread had been done before. So, yeah, I agree...this needs to be closed, and I probably shouldn't have started this. Mucho apologies, now please spread some love for ANYONE!


--J.C.[/color]

[spike speigel]

i utterly despise her. i just hate the way she tries to be a punk, cause she is not. but that's just my opinion.

[TheDarkOtaku]

She's a disgrace to all rockers, goths, and punks everywhere. She gives us a bad name, like we are "teeny boppers" or something. :flaming: Nuff' said.