Teachers!!!!!!!!!

[Genkai]

oh my god, reading jokes and watching the amzing race!!!! HEAVEN!! lol, just kidding.
so, um, what happened after you told the teacher to shut the **** up? are you in detention or something?

[SuruBlu]

Ok, I've noticed that many of you mentioned that cussing at a teacher gives them the right to fail you, that would be WRONG! Teachers can give you a poor grade in conduct, however they CANNOT fail you for anything other than bad work, if they do it's a little thing i like to call ILLEGAL. They can however, remove that person from class. In your case it would appear that you were already fumed, so a formal apology explaining the situation should clear things up, however, the teacher WAS wrong in telling you to shut up because you didn't understand (and yes teachers do cuss, in fact if you ever have any coaches, primarily football, for a class in high school, you'll wonder if they ever stop cussing). Her telling you to do so indicates that she herself is not doing her job. And another comment about rights at school = 0, This IS true, only because the teachers (some not all, in fact not many) think that they can walk all over you. At my school, some of us are thinking about making a formal complaint, maybe even take the school to court, because of some bogus rules they are trying to inforce, which they can't because...well its a long story, just know that it involves the cafateria, and all the school needs to do is build a bigger one which they would be able to do if they didn't spend so much money on the football program that doesn't ever do anything important or win for that matter and ahhhhhhhhhh im ranting...end commentary

[Mnemolth]

Imagine you're a teacher:

You do this job because you think its important, because you like helping young people achieve their potential.

You want to teach, but there are always some social discontent disrupting the class. But you want to help him/her as well. Trouble is they'd much rather spit on you than listen to what you have to say.

And if they DO spit on you, you can't hit them or do anything a 'normal' person would do in this situation cos you're the teacher and you have responsibilities.

If they cuss you, you can't return the favor no matter how furious you get. Because you see, you are not consider human, you are suppose to be 'perfect', to control your emotions, you are the adult, even if the cussing deeply offends you.

And every night you prepare for your classes. You work hard to try to make the lesson fun, interesting and make sure your students learn. But when you get to class, you're usually faced with a rabble who has learning as their last priority not their first.

And then, there's school and educational politics. You have to deal with other teachers whose main concern seems to be getting out of school as fast as they can when the bell rings, or climbing the school 'corporate' ladder.

You might spend your time working with the difficult children and doing well with them, but others will judge you on statistics and numbers when you're actually dealing with people and their emotions that simply cannot be reduced to figures on a sheet of paper.

And every now and then some lobby group wants you to implement new curriculum from teaching about racism to 'industry' job skills. Everyone seems to use schools as some sort of political ground to further their own agendas, and all you want to do is teach these kids the basics to equip them for the life outside.

So every day you drive to school and do your job. You smile even when you are sad, because you don't want to let the kids down. You can't show your emotions (unless they are positive) cos you're suppose to be a role model. You have to say the right things or else someone would accuse you of some kind of prejudice. You have to be careful about physical contact or else someone will accuse you of molestation.

Always you have to think of others but no one will think of you. Because you're the teacher and somehow you're suppose to accept the unacceptable. The students are suppose to make fun of you cos you're the teacher. You always have to be on your guard and behave properly because you're the teacher and you're suppose to be the role model. And as important as you think your job is, as appreciative as society keeps telling you it is, no doctor or lawyer will look upon you as a peer. You're just a teacher after all. And they pay you as much as their contempt for you will allow.

But you don't do this for the prestige, or for the money. You do it for the kids. You love teaching. When you see a child grasp a concept or understand something, and you know it is because of you, then that's your reward, that's what sustains you, that's why you're still doing this. You know you make a difference.

And you hope this will be enough to offset all the negatives. At least this is what you keep telling yourself.

[Red]

[quote]You do it for the kids.[/quote]

[b]This is [i]so[/i] true in England, as teachers get paid silly wages for the sheer amount of work they do, I feel they should get a raise, certainly over here.

Staying on topic, I think it's wrong to swear at your teacher, as you lose your standpoint on your objection to something he/she has done. What I mean is instead of swearing at a teacher because of an objection you have, you could be more articulate and tell the teacher what the problem is.

Swearing only makes the teacher think that you are unable to provide a good reason behind your outburst, or that you are able to talk directly to him/her about the problem.[/b]

[Ryan]

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Wow, thread right on time. Well what I mean by that is that this something just happened yesterday in math. Well before I say anything I don't have anything against gay people. But our substitute was gay. You could just tell by his voice and his hand move-ments whenever he talked. Well the class before our class told us that he was saying that he was married to a guy named Brian and they had a kid and telling them that they mixed their sperm together and gave it to this lady and she had the baby for them. Well anyway after that class another math teach told us to write anything on a piece of paper that we thought was unapropriate(spel?) that he said. After we did she told us that she was going to make sure that he never taught in any other school and was never around any children.[/size]

[Kei]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by \¤~NoodleZ~¤/ [/i]
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Wow, thread right on time. Well what I mean by that is that this something just happened yesterday in math. Well before I say anything I don't have anything against gay people. But our substitute was gay. You could just tell by his voice and his hand move-ments whenever he talked. Well the class before our class told us that he was saying that he was married to a guy named Brian and they had a kid and telling them that they mixed their sperm together and gave it to this lady and she had the baby for them. Well anyway after that class another math teach told us to write anything on a piece of paper that we thought was unapropriate(spel?) that he said. After we did she told us that she was going to make sure that he never taught in any other school and was never around any children.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=blue]:confused: Okay, given the sperm thing was inappropriate given the course subject, but I don't see what else was so wrong about what he said. Here at my school, teachers have to tell us about themselves (college credentials, if they have children, etc.). It's so that we can feel closer to them and feel safer. In my opinion, there was nothing wrong with him telling you all that, except for the sperm thing. Your teacher is weird.....[/color]

[Guest gojay]

:babble: [color=blue][size=1]On the account of me and my self image, I took all of you guys advice and apologized to my teacher.I told her the reason why I was even mad in the first place, and she forgave me. So with that being said I would like to say thanks for your great advice!![/color][/size]:cool:

[Mitch]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by \¤~NoodleZ~¤/ [/i]
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Wow, thread right on time. Well what I mean by that is that this something just happened yesterday in math. Well before I say anything I don't have anything against gay people. But our substitute was gay. You could just tell by his voice and his hand move-ments whenever he talked. Well the class before our class told us that he was saying that he was married to a guy named Brian and they had a kid and telling them that they mixed their sperm together and gave it to this lady and she had the baby for them. Well anyway after that class another math teach told us to write anything on a piece of paper that we thought was unapropriate(spel?) that he said. After we did she told us that she was going to make sure that he never taught in any other school and was never around any children.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red] Sounds like students and staff at your school are rather prejudiced and biased. Just because someone is gay by no means means that they are a bad person. Everyone is a good person deep down even if you can't notice it. No matter how evil someone is they are still good at heart. I mean we are all human. Not letting someone work at a job because of their sexual preference is just as bad as what we did to the african americans. [/color]

[Mr. Maul]

Don't cuss at a teacher, just do what I do and make fun of them behind their back. It's a lot more fun and it's safer.

[Semjaza]

School isn't really the place to be discussing sexual preference and insemination/whatever either... at least depending on the class. This was a math class, it doesn't fit.

That doesn't mean the guy should be banned from teaching, which a really stupid and overboard thing to do. The guy wasn't harming anyone, and considering how much people were talking about it, the students might have brought it up themselves in the first place. Still, not a good thing to be getting into in a math class heh.

[Tigervx]

You think your teachers bad? My band teacher always yells at us, and made some kid cry. Its like hell in band! We can't socialize AT ALL. If we make ONE squeky noise, he singles us out and chews and shakes us up. SEND HELP PLZ! and your opinion.

[Chaos]

*barely skims over the posts in this topic* Gojay, you now officially rule. Anyone that tells a teacher off is ownage. Which is also why I own so much.

"You can kiss my ***. You're not my mom. You're not my dad. You can't tell me what to do. You try it, and I'll sneak your *** so bad you'll get your head'll be knocked clean off. Go ahead, try something, *****. Yell at me one more time and you won't be drivin home tonight."

I actually said that to my math teacher one day last year. This was, after, mind you, how she said flat out she was gonna fail me for the year and that I wasn't doing my work (when I had done all three pages worth of classwork and all of my homework for the past two weeks). And I didn't get a referal or anything. Because she knew I would sneak her. And so did every kid in that classroom.

It's times like those it's good to have anger-management problems and to be extremely well-known for violent acts.

Fun fact: I'm prolly the most violent and volatile guy on Earth.

[Ryan]

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The problem with him telling us all of that stuff is that he was just suppose to teach us math for one day and that is it. Tell me a good reason for him to tell us that he was gay? Please I want to know.

[quote][i]Originally posted by LadyKatana[/i]
Here at my school, teachers have to tell us about themselves (college credentials, if they have children, etc.). It's so that we can feel closer to them and feel safer.[/quote]

Is it suppose to make me feel safe whenever he tells me that he is a gay and how he and his husband had a baby? I mean you can say all you want about him being a good person or whatever but it was innapropriate by all means. He is a substitute for one day. I mean it is fine if he tells us his name and where he was born and his age or whatever but about how he had a baby and that he is gay was innapropriate and you know it.

[quote][i]Originally posted by AnimeLover[/i]
No matter how evil someone is they are still good at heart.[/quote]

Is that really true? If it is, prove it. If you had a child and figured out that in Math that day they were going to have a substitute that had been in jail before because of murder, would you still allow your kid to go to school that day? Now you may say yes just to defend your point but really tell me a reason why. Would you risk your kid going to class and possibly something happening just because you believe that know matter how evil someone was they still had some good in their heart? Now I know schools wouldn't allow people like that to teach or go anywhere near kids, but I am just asking as a "what-if?".

If I find anything else I will post it later.[/size]

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by \¤~NoodleZ~¤/ [/i]
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I mean it is fine if he tells us his name and where he was born and his age or whatever but about how he had a baby and that he is gay was innapropriate and you know it. [/size][/b][/quote]

[color=deeppink]"Hi, my name is Mr. Johnson and I will be your substitute for the day. I have a wife, three kids, and a dog. I live in the upper-middle class white suburbia. I'm your poster child for the American family. Love me because I am normal." [i]...He[/i] just told you all about his life...do you hate him for it, too?[/color]

[quote][b][size=1]Is that really true? If it is, prove it. If you had a child and figured out that in Math that day they were going to have a substitute that had been in jail before because of murder, would you still allow your kid to go to school that day?
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[color=deeppink]Ahh, so a homosexual man is now on the same level as a murderer...oi! :wigout: (I know that's not what you were implying, but be careful what you use as an example. You make it sound as though you woudln't want your child attending school simply because their substitute was gay.)[/color]

[Rancid]

[COLOR=darkblue]Teachers at my school tell me to shut up at leat twice a day, I've been called a little "snot nosed punk", "juvenile delinquent", "trouble maker". There's about 50 more but I can't really remember them. You think you have it bad? Pfffffft.

One fact, nobody cares what us students think. I got in trouble in library for not opening my book when she said CLEARLY don't open your books yet. I tried to explain my side of the story to the principal but then she just sent me home for "not co-operating with the teacher". Anyways, never, never say F*** to a teacher, because they dont care if you got beat in the head with a baseball bat from the teacher because frankly no one cares. Yeah I know it sucks, but hey that's life. So suck it up and don't complain.[/COLOR]

[Ryan]

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[quote][i]Originally posted by Babygirl[/i]
You make it sound as though you woudln't want your child attending school simply because their substitute was gay.[/quote]

I know a lot of parents who wouldn't want their child or children attending a school for a day because their substitute was gay. I cannot answer that question now since I am only 13, because my thoughts about homosexuals may change whenever I am an adult. But like I said before I know a lot of parents that wouldn't allow their child to go to school because they had a substitute that was gay just because of their religion. I am a christian, it is a sin to be gay. Very religious parents wouldn't hear for it.

[quote][i]Originally posted by Babygirl[/i]
He just told you all about his life...do you hate him for it, too?[/quote]

So you are implying that it is ok for him to tell us about how his husband and him mixed their sperm together and had their baby. It isn't his job to tell us that. It is ok for him to lie to the principal and say that he is straight whenever he is gay and he is going to go tell kids about him being gay? Saying that you are gay scares kids. It sure scared me.[/size]

[Genkai]

it SCARED you? dude. i mean, the sperm thing was ot there, but just telling another calss that he was gay..

dude, not kewl.um, i wouldn't casre if my teacher was gay, in fact one of my friend's PERMANENT teacher was gay. well, our school is in a ver y ccepting community. is your school sstem full of country hicks, ryan? lol.

anyway, i think people SHOULD be perfectly okay with a gay teacher. but a gay teacher who tells you about how he had a baby with another guy... i dunno, sketchy indeed.

[Semjaza]

I personally wouldn't look at this any different than I would some female teacher (who no one knew previously according to the story) talking about being inseminated or having a midwife. The fact is, what does it have to do with anything? Saying you're gay or whatever is one thing; saying all he said is another matter. I didn't think him being gay or not was really the issue, but I guess everyone else thinks otherwise.

[Genkai]

yeahm you're right. being gay wasn't the matter. but we're TAUGHT these things by teachers in 6th grade for us, so we're supposed to be MATURE about it. that math teacher trying to get him "banned" was completely stupid. like, i mean, we hevae a whole CLASS about sex. so what's wrong with a math teacher saying that. well, i guess it was TOTALLY off topic, but you cant ban someone for going of topic. can you?

anyway, for all we know, maybe it wasn't as serious as it seemed. maybe someone ASKED him if he was gay. ryan, you said it yourself that he "looked gay"*cough*stereotyope*hack,so is it that unusual that he answered a question? so maybe that didn't appen, but it's possibel whoever told you about that was exageratin or something, ryan. i dunno.

anyway, i am AGAINST the idea of banning a teacher from teching for that. i mean, really. opinion has change3 rom last post.

oh, and sorry with all the spelling arrors last post. i was rushing.

[Reflection]

My French teacher was stunning. Mmmmmmmm....

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by \¤~NoodleZ~¤/ [/i]
[B][size=1]Saying that you are gay scares kids. It sure scared me.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]So are all homosexual males suddenly pedophiles, too? Is that what you're afraid of? :rotflmao: Ignorance.[/color]

[Semjaza]

That was one of my earlier points, this is math class... not sex ed lol.

But either way, he hardly did anything that he should be removed from teaching. From his perspective, he might have just been saying something to inform. Whether or not people listening think that's some "immoral" thing is another story.

I have a few gay friends that I'm pretty close with, and it is rather disheartening to hear some of these "scared" comments. It's like people want to try to group gay people with some sort of sexual predators.

[Mitch]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by \¤~NoodleZ~¤/ [/i]
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Is that really true? If it is, prove it. If you had a child and figured out that in Math that day they were going to have a substitute that had been in jail before because of murder, would you still allow your kid to go to school that day? Now you may say yes just to defend your point but really tell me a reason why. Would you risk your kid going to class and possibly something happening just because you believe that know matter how evil someone was they still had some good in their heart? Now I know schools wouldn't allow people like that to teach or go anywhere near kids, but I am just asking as a "what-if?".

If I find anything else I will post it later.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red] NoodleZ, I think that is a rather unbalanced example, but I will tell you the truth about it. Even a murderer has a good side to them, even if you can't understand just the principal of that. Because you have to understand that a murderer is a person to, only they have done something which is a great sin and of very wrong. But still, they are human. And all humans have at least [b][i]one moment[/i][/b] in their lives done something out of good will or out of good consience. It is in our human nature to be good people, but some just choose to leave it behind, buried deep within hate and prejudice. Now to answer the question which you asked.

No, truthfully, if I had a child, I would not let them go to school if a murderer was to be the substitute. It would go against my moral beliefs, and what I think is right for my child. There, hope that answered your questions.[/color]

[sydney]

*kinda reads all the stuff in this topic*

Ok, students dont have many REAL rights in school. If the school really wanted to they could make it so you almost didnt have any rights.

Gojay, your aproach to your teacher was probobly all wrong. Did you just flat out tell your teacher that her teaching method sucked and you cant lean that way(or something to that extent)? If you did then you just totaly insulted your teacher. You insulted they way the teach and if you havent noticed that is her job. Do you like it when people tell you that you do a bad job? If you want to tell her that you just arnt getting it then talk to her in private after class. Simply explain to her that you ARE trying very hard to understand the subject but sometimes the way she teaches she losses you. Try to be nice and courtious.

And if your teacher told you to shut up I hope you did. Teachers put up with alot of stuff at school. I am becoming a teacher right now(wow...I feel old saying that) and you might not think it but teachers have a very demanding job with bad pay too. My job is to help students but if a student cant tell me that they need help in a nice way then they probobly wont get it. Disrespecting your teacher was probobly one of the stupidest things you have ever done.

:) dont let it happen again!

[Ryan]

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We haven't had a sex ed. class yet. That isn't until 9th grade for some reason. We have the puberty video and class in 6th but no sex ed. class. I personally think it should be in 7th grade, the beginning of junior high.[/size]