Vampireprincess Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Anyone into real goth music... I am not talking about Marilyn Manson I mean real goth music like London After Midnight, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Bella Morte, Sangius et Cinis etc... And if so whats your favorite band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 We had a topic on this a while back that was kind of strange... But anyway, I [i]love[/i] The Cure. Bloodflowers was, in my opinion, their overall best CD. I wish all Cure CDs had that much feeling in them. I love Manson, but I've never considered the band goth. I don't really think anyone that has been listening to them since the start (Spooky Kids, not ACS or SLC) really does either. As for other goth bands... I don't like Depeche Mode. I like Black Tape for a Blue Girl, Type O Negative and several other groups I cannot remember the spelling of haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Depeche Mode and The Cure are considered goth?? I really don't know genres... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 It seems to depend who you talk to lately. I never would have thought Cure were goth myself, but everyone in the last couple years I talk to about it tries to convince me otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 The only "goth" band(s) I listen to are Japanese... but I don't much consider them Goth, more just visual... I think Goth bands carry their image into their own personal lives, while visual bands tend to use it for show only and in their own lives, don't wear the elaborate clothing and excessive makeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 my favorite goth band is avenged sevenfold. has anyone herd of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]Depeche Mode? Goth? Not in any universe that I've ever visited on [I]any[/I] drug-infused escapism journey. The Cure are great, even though I like them more for Close To Me than any gothicism about them. Mainly for me, its Gossamer, Fallen Tears, Nightwish (The quote in my sig is one of their's), and I'm starting on midnight Syndicate. Certain elements of the greatest band to ever exist (Th Tea Party for those who don't know me), are also considered goth, so I gues that would count. But yes, goth music is the best around.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Personally I just like 'em all. I don't have a favorite band...sorry to disappoint you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 im into otep a bit. Neurotica are cool though i don't think they are goth. cradle of filth is good. The cure won me over with blood flowers and actually i have never thought of depeche mode as goth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 [quote]"But what does gothic mean in regards to the group of people? Here's where it gets confusing. There are things that many Gothics like that are not gothic (Industrial or Classical music). There are things that are gothic that many Gothics dislike (vampires, interest in death). There are things that some people think are gothic that are not gothic (bands like Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails), and there are things that do not call themselves gothic even if they are considered gothic by most people (bands like Sisters of Mercy and Dead Can Dance). However, there's no Grand Gothic Judge to decree what is truly Goth and what is not, although there are plenty of people who claim to be it. It's an ambiguous label with many people using it that don't understand what it means. The people who do understand it often have many different definitions." --gothics.org[/quote] I totally agree with this. Goth is a label. I get different interpretations of what goth is from different people, and honestly who can say who is right? Bloodflowers has a gothic edge to it, that's my, and many other people's, opinion. I don't see why everyone argues over it. It's not like anyone here is calling something like Manson a true gothic band. I've listened to and bought many things that some people consider gothic, other people tell me they're something else. Black Tape for a Blue Girl, Lycia, Dead Can Dance, Folseid, Unto Ashes, Mira, Rhea's Obession and some others are all groups I listen to and enjoy... Yet everyone else wants to stuff them into other categories (I don't care what goth sub-divisions some of these might be under). I've seen the Cure called different genres just on these boards alone. Yeah, they are basically just rock... but they don't exactly fit in that category either. If anyone here can define "goth" to me with total and utmost clarity then I will shut up. I don't think anyone can... If they think they are the pinnacle of "hardcore" goth, I'm inclined not to believe them anyway. (As for Depeche Mode, I've only heard a few songs and didn't like them whatsoever... I don't know what they are considered, so I went along with it -- although I always thought people always looked at them as more of the forefathers of techno and house music lol. The Cure is mostly confusing me, because I mentioned them in the last goth thread we had here and I was more or less shot down). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]The Cure, technically, comes under a little known genre referred to as "shoegazer", a nasty sub genre of "gothic". A favourite of mine, actually. For more examples of this genre, check out Fallen Tears. Anyway, back to shoegazer. Shoegazer is tricky, mainly because it tends to be given that label to a depressive content. Which, quite obviously, doesn't work on too large a scale. So really, the Cure's definition depends on who you ask. There's a lot of debate in the music industry about whether shoegazer is actually a sub genre of gothic or not, given they are quite often radically different, but the debate normally dies or spins off when people realise they can't actually define goth anyway. So, call the Cure what you like, right now it's pretty damn open. You know, Semjaza, to be the pinncale of "hardcore goth", would probably require being dead.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 Well then, what would a band have to sound like in order for you to consider them 'goth'? Or is it a lyrics thing, where they have to have a certain lyrical topic... I'm really rather lost as to what is and isn't goth (even though there's clearly much debate over that) but I'm sure there's someone who could give somewhat of a definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane11 Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 For some reason I can visualize transtic nerve as being gothic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zidane11 [/i] [B]For some reason I can visualize transtic nerve as being gothic. [/B][/QUOTE] The band? Certainly not. The guy who posts here? He's not either :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampireprincess Posted October 12, 2002 Author Share Posted October 12, 2002 Goth has no definite sound. And the site is right. Pure and simple there is no true definition of goth but you can trace its roots to the beginig of the 80s late 70s. The sound just changed over time and know its more experimental then it is a true genre. But alot of people know what bands are goth and what are not only because its were its being played. Marilyn Manson is a spooky kid's band... Cradle of Filth is more for the baby bats clan and so on... Vampires and all that are goth only because thats what goth stands for in a logical manner. Goth represents darkness and ugliness so in truth vampires and dealth are realated to the goth culture but that does not mean every goth likes that stuff. Its all about taste like anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Have any of you heard of The Wedding Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Harlequin [/i] [B][font=gothic][color=crimson]You know, Semjaza, to be the pinncale of "hardcore goth", would probably require being dead.[/font][/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Heh... I suppose that's true. Thanks to both of you for good replies to my questions at the least :). I don't personally know any gothic type people, so understanding what work's and doesn't to most people is not something I am sure of. I always thought The Tea Party had a gothic side to it, but there is really a lot of diversity. I own all their main LPs now, and I can't really define them. Some songs are blues, some have more industrial edges to them (especially on Transmission, which is my favorite), some are just beautiful guitar arrangements... I really wish they'd tour the US a little more openly. As far as I know, the only US stop was Michigan, and I was too late :(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampireprincess Posted October 13, 2002 Author Share Posted October 13, 2002 I never heard of the Wedding Party sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkM Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 I cant stand Goth music. No offence to anyone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]Try Australia, you can't get anyone to tour here. It's impossible. I've only got Interzone Mantras so far, and about eight other songs from random albums. But you're right, the Tea Party are one of the most diverse bands I know. The first song I ever heard was Heaven Coming Down, the next was Winter Solstice. Confused the hell out of me for quite a while.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 First song I ever heard was their cover of Paint It Black (the only Stones song I remotely like). Went from there haha. You're honestly the first person I've ever seen bring them up other than me. They do tour Australia... [url]http://www.teaparty.com/live.html[/url] I have no idea if you are near any of these places though. The other CDs are definately worth searching out, with the possible exception of Tangents which is basically a waste of time if you own the other LPs (I think the only new song is Walking Wounded). I wish I could go up to Canada... all the shows there will be backed by a 42 piece orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Harlequin Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 [font=gothic][color=crimson]God damn it!!!! God damn it to infernal hell! My god we'll see about this! I imagine the ochestra really wouldn't work on a lot of their songs... I can't imagine Cathartik back by an orchestra.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 I believe they've done it before...You can find some live mp3s with orchestration. I don't know that they've done it to this extent before though. I haven't listened to their last CD much, so it's hard for me to say if it'd work or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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