Samgee Gamwise Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 [b]Emotion[/b], to some it is a sign of a weak man, and to others it is the root of passion. And is it not passion, which drives the weakest of men, to defeat the largest of foes? Yet with men like the first, passion can drive the most renowned warriors to tears that could wash away a city. But that does not make the first man weak. Or does it, for whilst the man is in mid-weep, is he not vonerable; is that not what is meant when we do proclaim a man weak? Oh, great power is found in the word [i]weak[/i], for when a man doth call a brother so, does he not grow in rage, till his brother is no more? For some tis' sadly so; but not the second, nay the second is the better man. Such a man is seldom born thus. He is wrought in the trials of life, he is reborn every time his passion doth flare. Even when trapped at death's icy jaws a man such as this does not quake. He will not quake, he will not fear, he will not doubt, he will never question his cause. His goals, too great; his will, undying; his passion, as red hot as the day it was forged. No, nothing will stop this man. Not [i]death[/i], though it take away his physical power in our realm. Not [i]love[/i], for it is that which drives his passion. Not [i]life[/i], nay, life is the essence upon which he lives, he cannot forsake it even when he can not hold it within his flesh. So you see, this is the man we all need to be. If you are not striving for this now, it is not too late to start. Think, but do not stop there; do. Do, simply do. :babble: [color=green]Of what do I speak?[/color]:babble: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 [color=royalblue]All I have to say is: o_O;; This isn't really a discussion or even a question...it looks like you've copied and pasted someone's poetry or something here. I really don't know if this is the most appropriate kind of post...perhaps you could rephrase it to actually create a worthwhile discussion. Oh and...are you schratn9? You are using the same banner as him. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegitto4 Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Hmmmm. Well, it's looking like the thought trying to be conveyed is " does emotion make a man weak, or strong?" Clearly in the first couple setences that is almost plainly stated. The rest of it is just there to confuse, and draw in the reader into deeper thought. In my opinion, if one does not have emotion, then one can not feel. If one can not feel, that in of itself is a weakness. The human soul was created to feel. However, those that are" tough guys" refuse to recognize it at all. The believe that feeling, having emotion is a weakness, because it can distract you from the objective. O contrair, having the ego the size of canada is a much larger weakness. What happens when that ego is crushed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 [color=red] Emotion is a needed feeling. It works upon us our very own character, personality, our own aura about us. Without emotion we would truly not exist, at least upon a comprehensional level.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiV Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 correct me if I'm wrong...I think emotion distinguish us from robot and animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Webb Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 I wouldn't say emotion distinguished us from animals. We don't know if animals can feel emotion or which ones they can/can't feel. Human emotion is exactly what makes us human. Every person expresses their emotion on some kind of a level. Not displaying emotion (good or bad) is just about impossible. I think the ancient Greeks went through a "stoic" period where all of their "ideal" sculptures and statues displayed humans with no emotion... they believed the ideal human was cold and emotionless. However, the "realist" period expressed that all people felt emotion. It was "realism," which means it represented what is real and what is not just an ideal. The truth is that all people show emotion, despite how many of us try to hide them. People who hide their emotions hide them out of anger and fear, which I believe are human emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiV Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Endymion [/i] [B]I wouldn't say emotion distinguished us from animals. We don't know if animals can feel emotion or which ones they can/can't feel. [/B][/QUOTE] I think animals have instintc, and humans have emotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B]I really don't know if this is the most appropriate kind of post...perhaps you could rephrase it to actually create a worthwhile discussion. [/B][/QUOTE] Always looking for an excuse to flex our administrative muscle, are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B]Always looking for an excuse to flex our administrative muscle, are we? [/B][/QUOTE] [color=royalblue]Always looking for an excuse to rebel, are we? You know just as well as I do why I question this thread (not even mentioning the fact that we've only recently had a couple that discuss men having emotions). I recommend that you keep such comments to yourself in future, wrist cutter. I don't mind you having an opinion on something, but I don't recommend posting just for the sake of furthering some rebellious image or deliberately getting on my nerves.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samgee Gamwise Posted October 17, 2002 Author Share Posted October 17, 2002 All that (almost) That has been said is too true for words. Thank you all for posting; I did not expect such a response! I am a simple man, on a mission, that mission is more or less what I really wished to discuss. I made the topic vauge so that not everyone had to just answer the question directly, (it'd get real boring...fast) I relize now that it was much [b][u]too[/u] vauge[/b]. And so I will restate my question......later. For now it is satisfactory to read your reactions. Keep 'em comin'. P.S. Go ahead Desbreko. *Unties Desbrko, joyfully rips tape off his mouth.......hehehe* [color=indigo]...I still don't get what this thread is... o_0 - Desbreko[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Umm... " O_ o " You're not a Christian by any chance are you.. that second guy almost sounds like how someone might describe Jesus... I have one question.. whats with the ripping tape off Desbreko's mouth?? :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothMog Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 just to get back to the point we all have emotions and we need them to answer your question all emotions should make us stronger am i right? <-_ -> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samgee Gamwise Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deus_Ex_Machina [/i] [B]Umm... " O_ o " You're not a Christian by any chance are you.. that second guy almost sounds like how someone might describe Jesus... I have one question.. whats with the ripping tape off Desbreko's mouth?? :-S [/B][/QUOTE] Dude you rock This is the kind of input I was hoping for. Religious!:angel: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 [b]Religiously tearing tape from Desbreko's mouth?[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deus_Ex_Machina [/i] [B]Umm... " O_ o " You're not a Christian by any chance are you.. that second guy almost sounds like how someone might describe Jesus... [/B][/QUOTE] That's the ticket! And About the ripping of tape off Desbreko's mouth; Samwise knows Desbreko, I know Samwise, and Desbreko knows me. Since Samwise knows Desbreko it could be deduced that he was saying somthing that he thought only Desbreko would understand, or someone that knows them both like me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samgee Gamwise Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 No, I had told Desbreko not to answer yet. That was my signal for: okay, go ahead. Can we please get back to the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 That's what I sayed "something only Desbreko would understand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastbyer Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 [color=indigo]Emotions are part of us being who we are. No one can not feel emotion but no one can fully express it (in words) either. It's one of those things that us as humans forgot to make words for in our languages, since most people used to think of emotions as weaknesses. But actually they make us stronger, they give us light and courage and lots of other stuff when we don't have any. They are one of those things that stand between humans and artificial intelligence. I mean you can get a robot to walk, run and think, but can you get it to actually feel true emotion? Not yet anyway. ...So... Yeah...[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxie Faye Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 [color=#9933ff]I believe emotions are not a sign of weakness at all. Emotions are a part of humans and it is inevitable not to have emotions. If we did not have emotions, how could we ever laugh and be happy, as well as cry? How would we ever have compassion, or doubt? The world would be a messed up place with out emotions. It is [b]MY[/b] [i]BELIEF[/i] that emotions should not be kept bottled up, because there will be that ONE day where someone who's bottled up their emotions they will come gushing out. Some traumatics things may result in that. I hate to start talking about books, but has anyone read "The Outsiders" By S.E. Hinton? It's not a bad book, and there's this one tough character, Dally, and he really cares about this one kid, Johnny, who's very skittish, because he's gotten in lots of fights. If my memory servers correct, his parents also beat him. Johnny is the only person Dally ever really cares about, though he denies it and will beat up anyone who tells him that he cares about Johnny. One night there's this really big fight between the "Outsiders" and the "socs" (soh-sheh-s, not socks), the populars. Johnny gets badly hurt, and dies. Dally, the tough guy, Dalluy who's never cried, Dally, overcome with emotion, goes out and kills himself. So, you see? Emotions should not be bottled up like that, unelss you want someone dead.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkai Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 we studied anthropomorphism and behaviorsts last year in a special group with doctor comey(i felt smart to be in there), and i totally think you should ALL read when elephants weep if you're interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shplarf Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Deus_Ex_Machina [/i] [B]Umm... " O_ o " You're not a Christian by any chance are you.. that second guy almost sounds like how someone might describe Jesus...[/B][/QUOTE]He doesn't seem a lot like Jesus to me. While praying in the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus prays three times, in effect asking "Are you sure I've got to die to make this thing work?" (Matthew 26:36-46) Jesus willingly died, but he wasn't a zealot, marching off to be crucified while humming "Onward Christian Soldiers" (notwithstanding that the hymn had yet to be written) The description reminds me of Howard Roark more than anyone else. P.S. Bible reference from Bible Gateway, bible.gospelcom.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samgee Gamwise Posted October 21, 2002 Author Share Posted October 21, 2002 Zeno??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 [color=royalblue]Samgee...read the rules. No one word posts.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan L Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shplarf [/i] [B]He doesn't seem a lot like Jesus to me. While praying in the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus prays three times, in effect asking "Are you sure I've got to die to make this thing work?" (Matthew 26:36-46) Jesus willingly died, but he wasn't a zealot, marching off to be crucified while humming "Onward Christian Soldiers" (notwithstanding that the hymn had yet to be written) The description reminds me of Howard Roark more than anyone else. P.S. Bible reference from Bible Gateway, bible.gospelcom.net [/B][/QUOTE] OK.. I'll go into more detail then.. (Non-Christians- just pretend you're a christian for 5 minutes, cos this is down to belief rather than absolute, undisputed fact) "but not the second, nay the second is the better man. Such a man is seldom born thus" - There's only one 'Jesus' and there has never been anyone on quite the same level as him "He is wrought in the trials of life"- Jesus actually came down from heaven (or so we believe) and mixed with all sorts of people who weren't worthy. He faced many trials in this way, and eventually was killed by men of this world (historical fact) "he is reborn every time his passion doth flare." - Jesus talked a lot about being 'reborn'- many people didn't understand him, as they thought they had to get back into their mother's womb. What he was talking about was being reborn in the Holy Spirit- which gives emotions and actually interacts with God's people. It's pretty much the best kept secret of Christianity: I've actually seen stuff happen which can't be described any other way.. the only reason you don't hear about it is that no-one's looking for it.. Any person can have a number of 'rebirths', which is generally a [i]renewal of passion[/i] for God (see quote from post) "Even when trapped at death's icy jaws a man such as this does not quake" - Jesus was willing to die for us.. He knew for a long time that he was going to die for us.. He actually told people a few weeks before his death (no one believed or understood him when he said it), but we don't actually know how long he knew about his death for. "He will not quake, he will not fear, he will not doubt, he will never question his cause" - Jesus had such faith that he never doubted the fact that he was doing it for God. He never feared anything, even walking on water (the disciple he called out did fear after a few seconds- so he fell into the water) because God said he could do it. "His goals, too great"- he was going to die to save [i]everyone[/i].. I'd say that's a huge goal. "his will, undying; his passion, as red hot as the day it was forged"- Most Christians go through Cycles of periods where we are up for anything, and dry times where not a lot happens. Jesus' passion was continuous throughout his life "No, nothing will stop this man. Not death, though it take away his physical power in our realm"- Jesus whole purpose of living was to die, so death did little to stop him from acheiving his goal "Not love, for it is that which drives his passion"- Jesus was willing to die for us not just because he was told to, but because his love for us was so great that he was willing to do anything in order to help us "Not life, nay, life is the essence upon which he lives, he cannot forsake it even when he can not hold it within his flesh."- He also died to give [i]us life[/i]-- you have to really be a Christian or at least understand Christianity to know what I mean by that "So you see, this is the man we all need to be"- One of the reasons Jesus came was to be an example to us all of how we should be. There's a popular saying among Christians when we're not sure to do: What Would Jesus Do. "If you are not striving for this now, it is not too late to start"- Anyone can become a Christian at any time, no matter what they have done, and they will be treated the same as all other christians, even if the convert on their last breath. "Think, but do not stop there; do. Do, simply do"- Jesus was a man of action rather than just words. He didn't just say "I am here to save you all".. he didn't even really say that.. everyone guessed that he was. Instead, he actually did it, and saved them through death. It seems a bit of an unusual concept, that someone can save people by being punished for something they hadn't done, but that's the whole thing with mercy: It's an odd thing.. So yeah... [i]that's[/i] why I think the guy sounds like the way we describe Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samgee Gamwise Posted October 23, 2002 Author Share Posted October 23, 2002 You well bud... Alright, yeah, right on, I could not have put that into better words if I tried. Awsomely drawn, the analogitical lines that is. You hit the nail on the head (I'm running out of phrases, so I'll stop). Okay are there any more comments or questions? P.S. Sorry james, must have missed that one. (2nd)P.S. I still want to know, who is Zeno??????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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