Anime Master Asia? Evil Villian or Polictically Correct you decide!

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

Yes folks your in for a real treat here, I rarely will make a topic on OB, but this one I figured was worth giving a shot. Now for most of you that are aware or have seen Mobile Fighter G-Gundam, I believe you are familiar with Master Asia.

Well during the end of the series we learned that Master Asia's true intention was to use the Devil Gundam aka Dark Gundam to solve the earths problem. Apparently during the 12th Gundam Fight he realized that the destruction that was brought about by the Gundma Fight itself was horrible.

So in a sense his actions were noble, he only wanted to heal the earth. His only problem was that he went insane thinking in order for earth to heal he would have to exterminate the human race. Now guys what do you think? Was Masters intentions good, noble or was the man clearly out of his mind?

[Kent]

I would say some of both.

clearly he was insane.

but he also had noble intentions for saving the earth.

problem to me is, once you exterminate the humans, what are you saving the earth for.

at that point it may as well be a huge ball of molten lava.

I like how domon handled it,... we are part of the earth too.

[Domon]

I agree with gotenks. I personally though think that Master Asia's plans were in fact noble but not the fact that he wanted to exterminate humans as well so yes i think Gotenks was right.

[VP-Master]

He is noble in the sense that he is using the "Devil Gundam" for restoring Earth to it's former self but in his view to get rid of all humans in the process, that's a little out there. He's right in believing that humans as a race are the prime cause of corruption in this planet but if you get rid of all humans, you get rid of the good ones too so with steps forward to a better world, many steps are taken backward as well. I would go as far to say he's a good person but his ideas are impossible for people of today or the world of the Gundam to accept and understand.

[ZeroBlade]

I couldn't figure this guy out from the get go. At first I thought he was just another villain. Then as the shows went on, he at times fought along side Domon and even gave advice to him on how to fight better. Then I hear he wanted to save the earth and asked then why is he fighting the good guys? Then he says he wants to kill all the humans in the process. Ok this guy is crazy. His intentions and how he came to it are certainly noble, but he really lost it if he says he'll take out the humans too. I think he would've achieved his noble belief if he hadn't spent so much time fight Domon and ther others.

[GundamGohan]

I believe that Master Asia was quite fine... his only flaw was in the fact that he forgot that the Dark Gundam was... well... Dark, and was "malfunctioning" ever since Kioji (Domon's Brother sp?) crashed to Earth with it.
If you rememer the original purpose of the Ultamate Gundam (as it was refered to then) was only to be a self regenerating Gundam, but went haywire when it crashed.

So getting back to the question, perhaps if a strong enough fighter with the proper moral's and goals were to be "absorbed" by the Dark Gundam (or it might just be that the Gundam was originally meant for Domon whos father built it)... the D. Gundam might have reverted back to the Ultamate Gundam Form....

But since none of that happened... guess we'll never know...

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

Actually you bring up a very interesting point, could Domon have really reverted the D.Gundam back to its original puprose? Personally I don't think it is possible for it to revert back since after all it was malfunctioning and would need to be fixed if anyone could get close enough to that thing. Then there is the case with Rain, Rain should have been able to get it to work for good purposes since she generally was rightous and kind hearted person. So I guess in a way it disproves your theory a little. However we must also take into account that Rain wasn't an experienced fighter like Asia, Kiyoji, or Domon.

[Kent]

Actually rick, your right, but there is no question.

It could not have worked. This is because the gundam didnt base its powers on a persons fighting skill. It was a persons life force. So rain was the best canidate for this possibility and it didnt happen.

Only allanbe could be another possibility, but I really dont think the fact that a person has fighting ability is what drives that gundam.
It was the life force.

And so, the gundam was screwed for good. no one could have saved it besides one real possibility,.... doctor kashu.

His knowledge of the gundam could have possible fixed the circuitry, but that is the only way.

[GundamGohan]

true... i guess i forgot that small bit with Raine... and yea... i guess i do remember the dual section thing with the life force and the pilot thing (or something like that) I dont know... maybe Asia was just a wacko... lol

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GundamGohan [/i]
[B]I dont know... maybe Asia was just a wacko... lol [/B][/QUOTE]

Well there is certainly no doubt that Master Asia experienced multiple personalities or as I like to call it the "Lady Une" syndrome. One minute he was trying to kill Domon and destroy the earth and then the other half of the time he was teaching Domon the ultimate attack or saving him from impending Doom or loss.

In a way Master Asia is sort of like the "Vegeta" of G-Gundam, on minute he's trying to kill his rival and the next he is trying to save him only to kill him by his own hands.

Rather interesting points have been made in this thread lets try to continue it. ;)

[Kent]

That is an excellent point about vegeta of g gundam being master asia.

But I also want to point out that even though it seemed like asia was trying to kill domon, I have another possible theory for masters motivation.

When asia actually fought domon he was always trying to enflame him, always trying to encourage him and always trying to test him.

we also know he tried to get the best test for domon in the tournament.

To me this is a sign that asia wasnt really trying to kill domon, but more trying to test his worth, as to pass on the king of hearts title. It also could be possible this was all in an effort for asia to get domon to be the dark gundam pilot, since asia was unhealthy and not up to the task.

what do you think?

[spike speigel]

i think master asia had good intentions. He was just trying to change the earth back to they way it was before the human race started to ruin it. But the way he tried to achieve his goal was a little insane. Wiping out humans was probably a little of both his good intentions and his insanity. humans are obviously here for a reason.

[Marron347]

i can see how master asia's intentions with the dark gundam could have seemed noble, but if he was going to exterminate the entire human race to save the earth, then he would have to kill himself too. so i think he was being selfish. i think he just didn't like the gundam fight and a lot of other things that humans were involved in. he didn't like being a part of that anymore, so instead of just commiting suicide or something, he decided that it would be better for him if he just killed everyone else.

but what i can't figure out is why he was acting like he cared about domon when his plan was to kill him right along with everyone else.

[GundamGohan]

The toughest teacher often has the strongest students...

As for the Extermination thing... yes... he'd have to kill ALL humans... and since he wasn't going to last long anyways... he'd die off and if Domon (the Tool) was the only one left (no chicks) the species would also end with him. but he needed Domon alive for the time being so he could be the "Tool".

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GundamGohan [/i]
[B]The toughest teacher often has the strongest students...

As for the Extermination thing... yes... he'd have to kill ALL humans... and since he wasn't going to last long anyways... he'd die off and if Domon (the Tool) was the only one left (no chicks) the species would also end with him.[/B][/QUOTE]

:babble: Hmm well lets see the Devil Gundam also known as the Dark Gundam has the theortical ability to Self Multiply. Now I'm only assuming this but if the Devil Gundam did self multiply over and over again the planet would have been taken over by a race of Devil Gundams. Sort of like a metal planet that was in a DBGT episode. Another interesting reference.

Hmm what about that idea? :cool:

[Kent]

Actually, Im no gundam expert but I think there is a mis-understanding.

the dark/devil gundam could regenerate, not multiply.

otherwise it would have multiplied into tons and tons of gundams for all the fights it was in and been a force no one could stop.

rather, it just regenerated to save its own butt.

[GundamGohan]

It can self multiply... yes... but still needs a pilot for direction.
You see this in the fact that it grows larger as it evolves into it's ultimate form...

[Kent]

but multiply means to produce another, like one making two.

that never happens. it only regenerates.

there was only one d. gundam.

it never created a second. it may have grown, but that is not multiplying.

[GundamGohan]

The term multiplying is in the form of the D.G. Cells... they do multiply... tha's how it regenerates... so yes... multliply is still technically correct.

[Guest Hikaru Ichijyo]

Hmm also the Gundam Heads also multiply so theres another possibilty. Another good point I feel like bring up about this how pilot thing happens at the end of the series. When Rain finally broke free of the Devil/Dark Gundam, it continued to opperate rather violently. Now I'm only speculating on this but I think when the Devil Gundam reaches its final form it no longer needed the host of Rain.

Though thats only a theory...hmm one thing I don't like about G-Gundam is its failure to explain things technically and mechanically like in the other Gundam shows.

[Kent]

That was an excellent point about the dg cells multiplying, but I guess what I was trying to get at was the idea of reproducing into seperate gundam units, all being spawned from the original dark gundam.

Thats why I was critical of the idea of one gundam making two and two making four, etc.

I can see the dg cells multiplying but that would only account for the cells and not the actual possibility of another dark gundam coming into existence.

As for the heads, those are also a tricky part of the multiplication, but I think of that almost like the heads are just "limbs" and like a lobster or crab, it can grow new ones.
Although one difference exist, the heads can grow out for ones that werent there to begin with, unlike a crab that can only regrow for a limb it has lost.

Its also important to remember that even with the heads "multiplying" they are still all coming from one unit and there for the gundam itself has not "reproduced" to create a second gundam.

I also think rick made an excellent point about the final form not needing a pilot, but if you were to ask me, I would compare it to a snake.

once the head is cut off, the body, and the head for that matter, can still function for a short time.

I think that once the gundam lost rain, it went crazy, not only did it seem like it wasnt as good about fighting, but it seemed to be lashing out as if it really needed to get rain back.

I still wanna mention though, this thread has been a great one for the gundam board.

good call on the topic rick.

[Guest boogeta]

That multiplacation stuff really confused me but the cell things I get